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Today in 1993, 4 ATF agents and 76 innocent people were killed.

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and lets not forget the innocent people at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building a year later either, at least 168 dead, close to 700 wounded, as the direct result of a home grown terrorist retaliating for the Waco incident

Oh, so that excuses the government action at Waco. Got it.
 

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What's the story behind this pic? Serious question......never seen it.

Some "heroes" took the time to stand for pics in the smoldering ruins of Waco. You really want to get pissed,look up Lon Horiuchi,FBI's favorite assassin and brand ambassador for Troy and HS Precision.

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All innocent men, women and children, RIP.
I liked your post and agree with you 100%. But let me play devils advocate. David Koresh was no innocent man. He was manufacturing illegal machine guns and those parents that fell for all his religious BS put there children in harms way following this nut. Now, that doesn’t mean the Feds should show up, start shooting and ultimately use tear gas during their assault knowing it would spark a fire. What the Government did that day cannot be forgiven and it actually brought me pleasure watching God punish that evil witch Janet Reno and have her shake to death with that awful disease. This should be tought in every school along with the Boston Massacre, unfortunately they probably don’t teach either of them. God bless and let’s all remember the people of Waco today.
 

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and lets not forget the innocent people at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building a year later either, at least 168 dead, close to 700 wounded, as the direct result of a home grown terrorist retaliating for the Waco incident

You should read the report of explosives expert General Benton Partin on what brought down the Murrah Federal Building. Reference to his report is in the Congressional Record. I actually went and found it there once though I don't have time to find it again right now.

Here's a couple of spoonfuls if you're so inclined to inquire.

Letter from Gen. Partin to U.S. Sen. Trent Lott


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Some "heroes" took the time to stand for pics in the smoldering ruins of Waco. You really want to get pissed,look up Lon Horiuchi,FBI's favorite assassin and brand ambassador for Troy and HS Precision.

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That's what I figured.
 

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You should read the report of explosives expert General Benton Partin on what brought down the Murrah Federal Building. Reference to his report is in the Congressional Record. I actually went and found it there once though I don't have time to find it again right now.

Here's a couple of spoonfuls if you're so inclined to inquire.

Letter from Gen. Partin to U.S. Sen. Trent Lott


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From Day One this whole thing stunk. Uncontained ANFO is pretty benign. A plastic barrel is not containment, not to mention that for an explosion of that magnitude, the plastic barrel would have been vaporized. Funny, they "found" pieces of it after the blast.
 
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Some "heroes" took the time to stand for pics in the smoldering ruins of Waco. You really want to get pissed,look up Lon Horiuchi,FBI's favorite assassin and brand ambassador for Troy and HS Precision.

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I hope these guys are proud!!! It takes a lot of skill to shoot dogs and burn children alive! Pathetic! And no, Oklahoma City should not of been the answer to this treachery.
 
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It makes me sick also, none of these people were held responsible. They were even given promotions! As stated above this whole thing could have been handled differently. I recall watching the tanks there, made my blood boil! The lesson I took away was, when the government commits murder, its really not murder.
 

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I liked your post and agree with you 100%. But let me play devils advocate. David Koresh was no innocent man. He was manufacturing illegal machine guns and those parents that fell for all his religious BS put there children in harms way following this nut. Now, that doesn’t mean the Feds should show up, start shooting and ultimately use tear gas during their assault knowing it would spark a fire. What the Government did that day cannot be forgiven and it actually brought me pleasure watching God punish that evil witch Janet Reno and have her shake to death with that awful disease. This should be tought in every school along with the Boston Massacre, unfortunately they probably don’t teach either of them. God bless and let’s all remember the people of Waco today.

To date, there has not been one single "illegal" machinegun brought forward as evidence to support the government's claim (and your parroting of it). NOT ONE!

To the best of anyone's knowledge (including the gun dealer that transferred them) every full auto gun on that compound had legal paperwork. And just so you remember correctly, the 1994 federal gun legislation was written up and pending.......this was the excuse to pass it and millions of law abiding people still suffer under it to this day.

People put their children in harms way every single day......far, FAR worse potential harm than the unproven accusations that a couple of people stated AFTER those they accused were dead and unable to defend themselves against the unmitigated slander.

The rest of your post I agree with, but you've yet to spit out the government koolaid regarding the fabrications they( the government) used to justify their illegally undertaken mass murder.
 
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Oh, so that excuses the government action at Waco. Got it.

@Mountain there was no excuse for Waco or Oklahoma City, I do NOT condone either, but it is pretty hard to ignore or deny the fact that some nutjob took down the Murrah building in retaliation for the Government's actions at Waco, and 168 additional people died needlessly.

If there was no Waco, would there have been a Oklahoma city?
 
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@Mountain there was no excuse for Waco or Oklahoma City, I do NOT condone either, but it is pretty hard to ignore or deny the fact that some nutjob took down the Murrah building in retaliation for the Government's actions at Waco.

If there was no Waco, would there have been a Oklahoma city?

I doubt it.
 

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@Mountain there was no excuse for Waco or Oklahoma City, I do NOT condone either, but it is pretty hard to ignore or deny the fact that some nutjob took down the Murrah building in retaliation for the Government's actions at Waco, and 168 additional people died needlessly.

If there was no Waco, would there have been a Oklahoma city?

Doubtful, but can't really say that with 100% certainty. Both are horrible events and not excusable- but evil actions by nutjobs vs. purposeful action by the government are in a completely different class. Responding to Waco with 'what about Oklahoma City?' to me is inappropriate.

edit- My bad if you were simply pointing out that OK City was a consequence of the gov action at Waco. Sometimes internet communication isn't the best...
 

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Some "heroes" took the time to stand for pics in the smoldering ruins of Waco. You really want to get pissed,look up Lon Horiuchi,FBI's favorite assassin and brand ambassador for Troy and HS Precision.

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Is that Lon the Butcher in the last photo?
 

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Doubtful, but can't really say that with 100% certainty. Both are horrible events and not excusable- but evil actions by nutjobs vs. purposeful action by the government are in a completely different class. Responding to Waco with 'what about Oklahoma City?' to me is inappropriate.

edit- My bad if you were simply pointing out that OK City was a consequence of the gov action at Waco. Sometimes internet communication isn't the best...

I'll be the first one to step up and affirm that government has an important job to do.....thats what ordered liberty/constitutional government is all about.

Unfortunately shit comes off the rails with all of the entrapment shit and corruption that at least appears to have a persistent foot hold in legitimate government at many different levels.

The folks at Waco really were not bothering anyone.....and increased government hounding them only further justified their concerns/skepticism of government.......this is the thing....some of the shit bag corrupt people within gov need to learn that the more they poke people over bullshit the more they give people reason to distrust gov and the corrupt agents within an otherwise legitimate government.

The FBI/ATF had multiple opportunities to arrest the shit bag from waco in a peaceful manner......but they CHOSE to create a scene with a blockade/siege

The same thing happened to that tax protester up in NH about 10 years back.

Same thing that happened with ruby ridge

The shit that happened under Reno/Clinton is inexcusable.....

Fast forward to a couple years ago we get the Bundy ranch bullshit that the BLM initiated.....of which there are many examples of the BLM trying to push people off their land.....

Then there's the shenanigans out in Oregon which the fed gov handled marginally better than the bundy ranch nonsense up until the point where they executed LaVoy Finigan.......and the cover up that followed....

Dont get me wrong, I'm not overly sympathetic to the methods employed by the bundy's and co out in Oregon.......but they didnt hurt anyone and chose to leave on their own and should have been allowed to do so instead of a couple of corrupt feds initiating a confrontation and shooting Finigan........the corrupt element within the fed gov isnt winning the hearts and minds of people when they execute people after instigating dumb conflicts/sieges unnecessarily
 
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