To ALL gun owners here please read this (THAT MEANS YOU)

I must agree with much of what I have read in this thread. Calm, rational, think before you speak conversations are a must. I had at least 5 today, in the office no less. From my quick view, there is soo much misinformation, misunderstanding, and complete disregard for the facts, I am sure those that feel opposite of myself (us) will not change their view nor desire to regulate this based on emotion and bad information. I explained today, 4 times, what a semi-automatic firearm was. They didn't know. 3 of the 4 thought it meant automatic and can "spray bullets from the clip" (actual quote) in the hundreds per minute. I started each reply with "what do you think a semi-automatic firearm is?". Most of them thought full auto (select-fire) rifles can be bought at near any gun shop, by anyone. They think the Bushmaster AR15 used was a full auto. I have seen quotes to that effect on both side of the media coin in the last few days. None of them knew that both MA & CT have active AWB legislation. Education is critical, calm demeanor and rational discuss is as well. It won't change anyone's mind, but we must rally against legislation based upon emotion and how a firearm looks.
 
Let's step back and look at the forest, instead of just the trees.

Make no mistake. This tragic event is made to order for the community organizer, Barack Obama, and his socialist administration, and the Democrats to begin their assault on the U.S. Constitution to "fundamentally transform America".

In the words of Rahm Emanuel, "never let a good crisis go to waste". As always, Obama will take advantage of this tragedy to bypass facts, politsize this event, as he appeals to the emotions of the shocked, grieving populace of Newtown, CT and parents everywhere to push his agenda to attack and dismantle the Second Amendment. After that, it will be the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, and the Fifth Amendment and so on.
 
Let's step back and look at the forest, instead of just the trees.

Make no mistake. This tragic event is made to order for the community organizer, Barack Obama, and his socialist administration, and the Democrats to begin their assault on the U.S. Constitution to "fundamentally transform America".

In the words of Rahm Emanuel, "never let a good crisis go to waste". As always, Obama will take advantage of this tragedy to bypass facts, politisze this event, as he appeals to the emotions of the shocked, grieving populace of Newtown, CT and parents everywhere to push his agenda to attack and dismantle the Second Amendment. After that, it will be the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, and the Fifth Amendment and so on.

This is not the point of this thread.
 
Ok...I've been trolling enough....pay attention boys and girls....

What Sir Gawain says is absolutely true. I am as passionate a firearm owner as any here. I too have a hard time with the anti gun agenda. However, I have yet to make any anti-gun supporter sway their opinion by berating them, engaging in name calling, or generally being disrespectful.

I believe that the 30% who are undecided can be shown the facts as reported by the CDC where you can find info on unintentional drownings, fires, falls etc., MADD where you can find accurate information on drunk driving fatalities. Or even the CIA world fact book for crime statistics. Many other things that kill far more innocent people than guns do.

We should be quick to point out that firearms prevent 2.5 MILLION crimes every year. Yes, some of those are by LEO's but a lot of them are from average citizens.

Ranting, bashing, name calling, and acting disrespectful only helps the anti gunners in their cause. When you lash out like an idiot, you will be thought of as an idiot. Nobody listens to an idiot no matter how right they may be.

If you cant control your anger, think clearly, or respond like an educated adult... keep your mouth closed and walk away.
 
Ok...I've been trolling enough....pay attention boys and girls....

What Sir Gawain says is absolutely true. I am as passionate a firearm owner as any here. I too have a hard time with the anti gun agenda. However, I have yet to make any anti-gun supporter sway their opinion by berating them, engaging in name calling, or generally being disrespectful.

I believe that the 30% who are undecided can be shown the facts as reported by the CDC where you can find info on unintentional drownings, fires, falls etc., MADD where you can find accurate information on drunk driving fatalities. Or even the CIA world fact book for crime statistics. Many other things that kill far more innocent people than guns do.

We should be quick to point out that firearms prevent 2.5 MILLION crimes every year. Yes, some of those are by LEO's but a lot of them are from average citizens.

Ranting, bashing, name calling, and acting disrespectful only helps the anti gunners in their cause. When you lash out like an idiot, you will be thought of as an idiot. Nobody listens to an idiot no matter how right they may be.

If you cant control your anger, think clearly, or respond like an educated adult... keep your mouth closed and walk away.

Great post, thanks.
 
The point of all threads are to share info and opinions, If you can't handle us not bowing to your authority, don't start a thread.

You havnt offered any info. This thread is specifically asking to not act like you are acting. I think your missing the point. My reply to Alex Cannella dosnt change, there are plenty of threads on that topic. This isnt it.
 
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No, I offered my opinion,(please read above post) I'm acting like someone with over 40 years of experience with views on firearms. How man years have you been involved with the same ? Please share with us your facts based on experience and also your age. The point is some of us think you are blowing smoke. You are as entitled to your opinion but your approach needs work.
 
No, I offered my opinion,(please read above post) I'm acting like someone with over 40 years of experience with views on firearms. How man years have you been involved with the same ? Please share with us your facts based on experience and also your age. The point is some of us think you are blowing smoke. You are as entitled to your opinion but your approach needs work.
By "some of us" do you mean yourself? Or are you an appointed spokesman for a larger portion of NES?
 
No, I offered my opinion,(please read above post) I'm acting like someone with over 40 years of experience with views on firearms. How man years have you been involved with the same ? Please share with us your facts based on experience and also your age. The point is some of us think you are blowing smoke. You are as entitled to your opinion but your approach needs work.

Well seeing as you viewed my profile why dont you tell me how old I am? I am half your age and can present myself in a far more respectable manner than you are right now so I dont see your point. I've blown no smoke could you please enlighten me how I have?
 
Some means some, do you have a dictionary ? Just like some of us have determined you're a douche. Please review your past threads for confirmation.
 
Some means some, do you have a dictionary ? Just like some of us have determined you're a douche. Please review your past threads for confirmation.

Enough with you, this thread is good. Please stop with your nonsense. Everyone posting please ignore his posts here, past and future. I dont want to see him get it locked.
 
I made my point several times and your "respectable manner" is debatable.Some will never get the point (see new guy about some he's looking it up .)
Well seeing as you viewed my profile why dont you tell me how old I am? I am half your age and can present myself in a far more respectable manner than you are right now so I dont see your point. I've blown no smoke could you please enlighten me how I have?
 
guys, the talks were going alone fine until the measuring competition and age debate began. please let it die. these idiotic non productive posts happen far too often, and now in a thread that discusses some meaning it rises again. can we please stop?
 
Troll elsewhere. If you feel they are sheep man up, look at my original post, and heard them in the right direction.

I Never asked you to convince.

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This is the attitude that cant be portrayed.

No fighting, just trying to keep the SPAM out of here

This is not the point of this thread.

You havnt offered any info. This thread is specifically asking to not act like you are acting. I think your missing the point. My reply to Alex Cannella dosnt change, there are plenty of threads on that topic. This isnt it.

With all due respect, I find it interesting that you should so easily dismiss the opinions of others that disagree with you.
I fired my first shot in 1974 and can not even begin to count the rounds I have put down range, in uniform and out. I have personally introduced dozens of people to shooting, some of which are now members of this forum. While I agree with you that arguing with antis is rarely productive, I have to agree with TimL that, while you obviously have the best of intentions, and I respect your opinion, many of us are not going to follow in lockstep with the Gospel as issued by Sir Gawain.

Basically what I am saying here is do whatever works for you, and I will continue to do what works for me, that I have learned from years of experience. In general, my approach to dealing with anti gun folks is respectfull , but frankly I don't need you to tell me how I should talk to people. Nor do I expect that you need me to do the same for you.

I am not trying to start a fight with you here, but take a step back and look at this thread from my grumpy old guy point of view. " Hey, Gun Owner - read this!!" This means you! Talk to people the way I say you should! If you don't you are part of the problem!

I applaud what you are saying, and I believe that being polite should be a way of life, not just as it relates to firearms, but do you really think that after 44 years on this earth you need to tell me that?

Now... Finish your homework and clean your room and then you can go back to your xBox! - [rofl] Just kidding dude. I am glad you are here. And while I disagree with you on this one point, I consider you an asset to our community, seriously.
 
guys, the talks were going alone fine until the measuring competition and age debate began. please let it die. these idiotic non productive posts happen far too often, and now in a thread that discusses some meaning it rises again. can we please stop?

This. Age doesn't mean shit if you have the facts to back what you're saying, so just chill the hell out. We are now fighting the FUDDs and libtards in order to prevent another AWB, we don't need a civil war on NES.
 
This thread was stillborn it assumes liberals can be reasonable. They can't. I don't advocate shunning Sir Gawain, he'll either stay and learn or leave in tears to return to his gamer sites.
Enough with you, this thread is good. Please stop with your nonsense. Everyone posting please ignore his posts here, past and future. I dont want to see him get it locked.
 
With all due respect, I find it interesting that you should so easily dismiss the opinions of others that disagree with you.
I fired my first shot in 1974 and can not even begin to count the rounds I have put down range, in uniform and out. I have personally introduced dozens of people to shooting, some of which are now members of this forum. While I agree with you that arguing with antis is rarely productive, I have to agree with TimL that, while you obviously have the best of intentions, and I respect your opinion, many of us are not going to follow in lockstep with the Gospel as issued by Sir Gawain.

Basically what I am saying here is do whatever works for you, and I will continue to do what works for me, that I have learned from years of experience. In general, my approach to dealing with anti gun folks is respectfull , but frankly I don't need you to tell me how I should talk to people. Nor do I expect that you need me to do the same for you.

I am not trying to start a fight with you here, but take a step back and look at this thread from my grumpy old guy point of view. " Hey, Gun Owner - read this!!" This means you! Talk to people the way I say you should! If you don't you are part of the problem!

I applaud what you are saying, and I believe that being polite should be a way of life, not just as it relates to firearms, but do you really think that after 44 years on this earth you need to tell me that?

Now... Finish your homework and clean your room and then you can go back to your xBox! - [rofl] Just kidding dude. I am glad you are here. And while I disagree with you on this one point, I consider you an asset to our community, seriously.

with all due respect please review what my responses were too......he is continuing with his useless rant still. My title was not to be taken thjat way either. I hear your point but i said "that means you"it in all caps because it is all of us here who are gun owners.

Also, im not telling anyone to do anything, i asked.
 
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With all due respect, I find it interesting that you should so easily dismiss the opinions of others that disagree with you.
I fired my first shot in 1974 and can not even begin to count the rounds I have put down range, in uniform and out. I have personally introduced dozens of people to shooting, some of which are now members of this forum. While I agree with you that arguing with antis is rarely productive, I have to agree with TimL that, while you obviously have the best of intentions, and I respect your opinion, many of us are not going to follow in lockstep with the Gospel as issued by Sir Gawain..

I am not dismissing others opinions that disagree with me. I am dismissing an attitude and also trying to keep this thread on topic. Things are being posted about topics with threads already open to that post, go post that info there not here. Plenty of people in here have said things that are not following in lockstep and I can take it, chest bashing just need not apply in this one (I decided to call it out, maybe i shouldn't have).
 
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The fact is The Constitution GUARANTEES us the right. I don't want to debate with anyone about it. You can lead a horse to water......but. Also I prefer to just keep my mouth shut about it. The Govt. is in control and the more I think about it the more I believe if they really tried to round us all up and take our guns.....well let's just say there are more than a few of us that would...errrrr......resist.
Maybe it would help in the discussion (if you really need to have it) you could remind your opposition that the founing fathers included the second ammendment so we could defend ourselves from a tyrranical govt. I find that kind of talk usually makes them just shut right up.

The Constitution was only elaborating upon a right that the founding fathers thought was granted by God - that is: the right to defend one's life - and by extension of that - the right of a group of people to defend their lives (and livelihoods) - against a government that has gone out of control.

In other words the founders put it down because they felt that the right to self defense was akin to the right to eat.

Back then - same as it is now - rulers or governments had always tried to take away the "people's" rights to own WEAPONRY. English history is full of numerous instances where the kings passed laws against "citizen" ownership of whatever weaponry of the day was considered to be sufficient enough to fight the king's minions.

That's why Rob Roy is seen pulling sword out of the thatch of his hut (if you've ever seen the movie).

Furthermore - I've even heard some religious figures say that YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT YOUR OWN LIFE. God did not give it to you to just piss away - abort - or let somebody take it from you thru evil actions.

I'm not a very religious person at all. I have never read more than a passage or two of the Bible - but why is it that I can understand these arguments - but so many people - people who actually go to church every week and claim to have read that Bible and preach about God this and God that and so forth - seem to not be able to comprehend it?

Back to the original point: there's a huge amount of people who seemingly can't come up with any sort of cogent argument on their own - pretty much all they know is that they like their guns - somebody somewhere told them that the 2nd amendment protects them - and that's all they go with. Never mind the fact that a lot of these very same people have voted to piss away all the rights the second was designed to protect (how many of you support or supported the Patriot Act - thought the war in Iraq and/or Afghanistan were good ideas, etc) - because the t'rists were out to get them. So in effect they have worked just as hard as the liberals to undermine the right to own guns - because they worked to give the government all the tyrannical powers the second was supposed to keep the government from attaining in the first place.

From a certain perspective - the second amendment is just an artifact of a bygone age - because everything that surrounded it has already been stripped away. It's like what our troops found when they went to Iraq - there were weapons all over the place - right in the middle of a freaking dictatorship - but it's not like anybody was using them to overthrow Saddam.

The Constitution doesn't GUARANTEE shit. Like the liberals always say: It's just a piece of paper.

If you piss away the limited government construct that was laid out by the Consitution - then sooner or later the 2nd amendment falls if there is enough political will to do so. The history of gun rights in the last few decades is just the history of a political battle between two opposing forces - whoever has the political power at any given time will make the rules. We've been gaining in the last decade or so - but we weren't before - and taken over many decades - gun owners have been doing nothing but losing incrementally - over and over again.
 
Yes, because the previous AWB would have prevented the tragedy Friday. What a nitwit Sen Manchin must be. Unless the gunman in CT killed some of his victims with a bayonet, collapsible stock or flash hider, the weapon he used wouldn't have been affected by an AWB. In fact, CT still has the AWB like Mass, correct? So, yeah, let's revive a law that accomplishes absolutely nothing except making ARs and AKs waaaay more popular than they ever were before the federal AWB.

The only thing that even actually has some arguable effect in making a weapon "more deadly" is the magazine capacity, but in this situation it didn't matter anyway - he was shooting at unarmed people, most of whom were barely older than toddlers. He could have used five round magazines and done the same amount of damage.
 
this should probably be it's own thread:

HOW MANY OF YOU ARE GOAL, NRA, COMM2A - SUPPORTING MEMBER, SAF, JPFO Ect????

[devil2] no, i didn't even bother reading the replies. sorry if dupe.

ETA: EVERYBODY PANIC! oh wait.
 
this should probably be it's own thread:

HOW MANY OF YOU ARE GOAL, NRA, COMM2A - SUPPORTING MEMBER, SAF, JPFO Ect????

[devil2] no, i didn't even bother reading the replies. sorry if dupe.

ETA: EVERYBODY PANIC! oh wait.

Not a dupe, that being said I am a member of only 2. Now is a time more than ever to join and support as many of these as you can. I will be joining another this week come payday.
 
That's an M1 Carbine. Israel still issues them to school teachers, tour guides, and other rear echelon personnel. As the M16 is phased out of service in favor of the Tavor. Magazine inserted or not, it's better to have a gun than not to.



I'd say she needs a real rifle and she likely does not have the mag in the well or a round chambered per my understanding of IDF rules. So, they could be better protected, but certainly they are better off than those in a gun-free zone.
 
Then do yourself a favor, refrain from acting like an ass and calmly defeat them with intellectual fact (if you cant do that then dont engage in the conversation in the first place). The media will paint a picture and I will have no part of helping them destroy our image.

Yeah! Do this!

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Yes, because the previous AWB would have prevented the tragedy Friday. What a nitwit Sen Manchin must be. Unless the gunman in CT killed some of his victims with a bayonet, collapsible stock or flash hider, the weapon he used wouldn't have been affected by an AWB. In fact, CT still has the AWB like Mass, correct? So, yeah, let's revive a law that accomplishes absolutely nothing except making ARs and AKs waaaay more popular than they ever were before the federal AWB.

The only thing that even actually has some arguable effect in making a weapon "more deadly" is the magazine capacity, but in this situation it didn't matter anyway - he was shooting at unarmed people, most of whom were barely older than toddlers. He could have used five round magazines and done the same amount of damage.
SOOOOOO RIGHT
 
They are being "herded" by the Messiah and his co-conspirators, they can't be saved. I said nothing bans here . If I think they are sheep man up ? Does your Mom know you're using the computer ? Get back when you have some TIG.


Sounds like the nut bag that just torched the houses and killed the fireman. Just what we need to help the cause......[troll][troll]
 
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