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Think that Verizon worker is who he is???

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by terraformer, Jul 22, 2013.

  1. terraformer

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    From the dissent in COMMONWEALTH vs. Justin TATUM, SJC-11167 (2013)
     

  2. GaryO

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    Is this case being tried right now or is it an old case? I'm curious if the court will allow the evidence(sadly i'm pretty sure the courts will side with the cops).
     
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    You could tell if he was a cop if he shot the dog. Jack.
     
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    Searching the names involved (COMMONWEALTH vs. Justin TATUM) leads you to this thread (result number 2). Searching the case number provides the Case Docket: Mass Appellate Courts - Public Case Information

    This thread is result number 8 under the case docket number search.
     
  6. Dench

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    [rofl]

    so they think the work around to a search warrant is to pretend you work for someone else?
     
  7. davemata

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    We might find this is true.
     
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    "A police officer disguised as a Verizon worker entered upon the curtilage of the house without a search warrant and, as a result, confirmed they could get to play warrior with all the cool tactical gear and full auto weapons they bought."

    FIFY
     
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    Are police allowed to lie? - Police Encounters - Know My Rights

    That only works if you know they are the Po-Po.
     
  10. terraformer

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    The opinion was just published this morning.

    Doesn't surprise me for right now. But this decision is full of fail and I would hope it will eventually get more attention. They basically said that the search was unconstitutional, but only the homeowner (who wasn't charged) can raise a challenge to the search, so therefore the defendant(s as two of three were charged) mentioned in the above case is SOL. This is opening up a huge loophole for unconstitutional searches by letting the cops simply not charge the homeowner when they want someone else inside the house. The homeowner will never challenge these because why the hell would they want to open pandora's box.
     
  11. Dench

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    Um, that kind of a loophole would totally **** over anyone who rents if I am thinking about it correctly...
     
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    Sort of like that girl working the corner is really not a girl working the corner.
     
  14. terraformer

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    This is covered by another plank of 4A law. If you rent, you are the person who has dominion over the property. There are exceptions to this, but generally this is covered. This is more likely to become an issue in the drug war where the cops now wait for the perp to leave his house and instead raid the house of someone he visits. Combine with the militarization of the cops we have in the modern drug war and now swat teams may start raiding homes of people not affiliated with the underlying crimes. I mean, really, what is the likelihood that one knows there is an active warrant against a house guest? Can you say for certain that isn't the case for your last house guests?
     
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    Very different problem. Someone working the corner does not have the authority of a multi-national corporation behind them. This is eroding what little trust people have of the world around them. Yeah, you pretty much figure VZ will screw you over in the bill, but you don't expect (at least not until now) that allowing a VZ sales drone onto your property to result in a swat team.
     
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    Now the Watertown searches make sense.
     
  17. Coyote33

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    Yeah, but in the end, it wasn't VZ in the first place; it was an imposter. Funny how they made it illegal to impersonate a cop. Actually, not funny at all. Some pigs are more equal?
     
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    There was an incident a while back where the police posed as fire fighters and/or EMTs. I think it was for a surprise--no knock warrant. I forget the details exactly but whomever they posed as were not pleased at all.
     
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    When we used to go ATV'ng growing up (in MA, you can guess how legal it may or may not have been) Police used to go undercover as injured dirt bikers on the side of the trail. Pretty sad when you have to go home thinking that guy on the side of the trail may have had a broken ankle and spent the night stranded miles from anywhere because he could've been a cop who would impound your $7,000 ATV on trails that were made by ATV'rs legally and then taken away from them so yuppies could pave them..
     
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    Or the high and tight haircut. The goose stepping might have as well if he was statie.
     
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    Why would you let a random Verizon employee in your home? Especially if you have no problems and didnt call for service. Sounds like a bunch if dumbasses involved.


    Todd
     
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    Is it true that just before they hit the door with the battering ram they called out "Can you hear me now?"
     
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    I knew a guy that was a cabbie in Fall River. One day I was talking to him and another cab pulled up, said something quick, then drove away really fast. he started laughing and said "that's actually a cop 'undercover' in a 'cab'(it was an FRPD cop car painted to look like a Yellowcab.
     
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    The cop dressed as a Verizon worker didn't enter the house, he entered the curtilage of the house.
     
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    That is pretty ****ed up. A cop is a cop I don't care if they are wearing a clown costume. I can't wait too see what there reasoning is. It will be something alone the lines of, the cop could have come on the property to do a "safety check", or some such bullshit, and the outfit was just so they didn't scare off the bad guy...
     
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    What would make this great is if Verizon sued the involved PD and DA for dragging them into this.
     
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    Sort of sounds like Humphries who was convicted of illegal possession of a firearm and ammunition despite having neither. Only his untried accomplice could raise the defense of having a license.

    The correct term is "common night walker". (don't ask me why I know this). Which raised the question of what is an 'uncommon' night walker?

    The OP's case is a little different as the fake Verizon employees was not executing a warrant - they were gather probably cause to get the warrant.

    Someone trying to scam the Boston One Fund was taken down by a trooper posing as a FedEx delivery man.

    Ever since Florida v. Jardines, curtalige had become one of my favorite words that I never get to use.
     
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    Didn't they do this on the "Soprano's" when they bugged T's house? Must be ok if it's on TV or in NJ.
     

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