The Price Gouging/Everything Shortage Megathread

[atilla]

I will admit I haven't had the chance to read every thread in this YET but I will say I am pretty pissed to see fellow NES trying to take advantage of their "brothers" in the classified sections. Not calling anyone out specifically but one really comes to mind. I know inter NES bad talk is frowned upon and I apologize for that but I just can't hold my tongue. We have enough anti's trying to screw us. That we don't need to screw each other. I understand supply and demand but this is by definition "full Retard. O.k I will get off my soapbox. Have a good night and stick together

read enough of the recent posts on here within the last week and you'll see we have fewer brothers on here than you may have originally thought.

 

[timbo]

Preban1 of course!

Coined it, bitches.

PB MkII has more of a .mil ring to it....

 

[Hiltonizer]

30rd pmags going $50 a piece in lots of 10 on GB.. might have to part with my thermolds.

EDIT: whoaaaaaaaaaa, ebay is worse.

 

[economist]

Guys, it's called "capitalism" (on old, out-of-date notion whereby private property is exchanged with mutual consent and benefit without the interference of others). If a guy wants $5000 for a stag and some other guy wants to pay him why should I care one way or the other? If somebody wants to offer an item for a some price I don't want to pay, why should I be upset about it? So we have some items in the classifieds for more than you might have seen a week or two ago. How does that offer to sell hurt anyone? And if someone pays that price, aren't they obviously better off (or are we now going to make judgments on behalf of others)?

It's a never-ending task around here trying to make the simple point that freedom is a good thing. Having options is always better than the alternative. That is why a private offer to sell at any price improves the quality of the market. At worst nobody buys. At best, a trade is made to the satisfaction of both parties. What we have now is a market that is not clearing. Obviously there are people who want to buy guns and the like, but supply is not meeting the demand. It might if the day ladies would shut-up about "gouging" and prices that are "too high".

And for the third or fourth time, everybody here who is absolutely convinced that prices are "too high" should be selling their guns, mags and ammo. After all, what else could a "too high" price mean if not that you think the money is worth more than the goods?

To be clear, I have no idea whether it makes sense to buy gun related stuff at today's prices, and that's my point. Nobody else here knows either -- on the off chance they do, they should put their money (or goods) where their mouth is.

 

[ericcif]

Me either. I like mine just fine, even though it's a piston model and therefore a douche-a-matic waste of money by NES standards. Now that I have owned one for a while and understand the platform, I was planning on getting a Colt or Noveske for an upgraded friend to keep it company. But at this point I think I'll wait.

I have two Stags I built (5.56, 6.8) built one for a friend and have another friend that bought one complete. None have ever had a problem. I did plenty of research before I went with their parts and all the reviews (magazine and online) I've read had great things to say about Stag. Guess I'll stick to AR15.com when talking AR's since they like them there.

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[Hiltonizer]

Guys, it's called "capitalism" (on old, out-of-date notion whereby private property is exchanged with mutual consent and benefit without the interference of others). If a guy wants $5000 for a stag and some other guy wants to pay him why should I care one way or the other? If somebody wants to offer an item for a some price I don't want to pay, why should I be upset about it? So we have some items in the classifieds for more than you might have seen a week or two ago. How does that offer to sell hurt anyone? And if someone pays that price, aren't they obviously better off (or are we now going to make judgments on behalf of others)?

It's a never-ending task around here trying to make the simple point that freedom is a good thing. Having options is always better than the alternative. That is why a private offer to sell at any price improves the quality of the market. At worst nobody buys. At best, a trade is made to the satisfaction of both parties. What we have now is a market that is not clearing. Obviously there are people who want to buy guns and the like, but supply is not meeting the demand. It might if the day ladies would shut-up about "gouging" and prices that are "too high".

And for the third or fourth time, everybody here who is absolutely convinced that prices are "too high" should be selling their guns, mags and ammo. After all, what else could a "too high" price mean if not that you think the money is worth more than the goods?

To be clear, I have no idea whether it makes sense to buy gun related stuff at today's prices, and that's my point. Nobody else here knows either -- on the off chance they do, they should put their money (or goods) where their mouth is.

Lighten up Francis, no one here is calling for an end to supply and demand system. It's running commentary on an anomaly.

 

[BerkshireHunter]

Lighten up Francis, no one here is calling for an end to supply and demand system. It's running commentary on an anomaly.

Right. He's simply stating that there isn't any price gouging going on between sellers and buyers. Some people think the Government should step in when sellers are charging too much for something, couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

[Yota79]

I just saw a "short bus" in the parking lot of a local gun store...We've gone full retard.

 

[Knob Creek]

You have some people who bought something for $100. Who normally would not sell it at $100 to just get their money back. Or at $120 to make only few bucks. But if they can get $150 they will let it go. And likely then buy something from someone else on NES. Buy it or don't. Simple as that.

I have a stripped lower I bought awhile back for $79. So if I decided to sell it. What price would you consider to be socially acceptable?

 

[Hiltonizer]

You have some people who bought something for $100. Who normally would not sell it at $100 to just get their money back. Or at $120 to make only few bucks. But if they can get $150 they will let it go. And likely then buy something from someone else on NES. Buy it or don't. Simple as that.

I have a stripped lower I bought awhile back for $79. So if I decided to sell it. What price would you consider to be socially acceptable?

if you sell it for anything less than the most you could get for it you're a pinko

 

[LoginName]

Got this off a forum just a few minutes ago concerning AR mags.


BravoCompany-sold out
Midway-sold out
Brownells-Sold out
Cheaperthandirt-sold out
Kentuckygunstore-sold out
Primaryarms-gone
woodburyoutfitters gone
.thegunsandgearstore-gone
sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore- gone
centerfireguns.-toast
lanbosarmory-Gone
Palmettostatearmory-toast
.tombstonetactical.com-negative
Bassproshops-Says in stock but when I click "place in basket" it disappears!
Gander mountain-sold out
Grabagun-gone
Luckygunner-toast
Impactguns-gone
cactustactical-part not found
Sportsmansguide- EVERY ONE of their 32 styles of 30+round mags is sold out
Riflegear-nada


And last but not least

Magpul direct who says....DUE TO HIGH DEMAND, SHIPPING ONLY TO DEALERS & DISTRIBUTORS

The last time I recall something this crazy, was a few years ago when the CMP sold something like 10 years supply (expected), in a few weeks/months.

And there wasn't even anything close to a ban on the radar.

Today 11:01:25 AM
[Last Edit: Today 6:54:50 PM by Brownells]
Hey Guys,

I wanted to take a minute to shed some insight on the magazine situation if i can. First of all I wanted to offer an apology for the situation that Pacs and anyone else encountered with magazines being "In-Stock" and Backordered moments later. Cedjunior had it correct, the demand for magazines actually exceeded the ability for the system to keep up with the volume that was being ordered. They way that our website works is that inventory is fed from our ERP system directly into the website in "real-time". Unfortunately, "real-time" is the amount of time that it takes for the transactions to work both ways. During normal circumstances, it is nearly instant. However, we've been receiving orders at such a pace that these transactions have gotten slower. We absolutely apologize again, we definitely don't want that ever to be your experience.

To shed some more light on the magazine situation at present, it really has been unprecedented in the last 5 days. (Edit - Sorry guys, meant 72 hour period) we sold the "average demand" equivalent of about 3 1/2 years worth of PMAGS, and and an even greater amount of our Brownells magazines. We're working like crazy to get these orders to you as quickly as possible.

We're working directly with Magpul daily to forecast out the next couple of months deliveries. Magpul is focusing their efforts on the BLACK magazines, so we're limiting backorders to only Black for now.

On the Brownells 30 and 20 round magazines, we're still flowing those into the system daily, and are producing those at 100% capacity as well. We ordered more material yesterday that will allow us to up production again in the coming weeks.

Our apologies for the delays! We'll keep working as hard as possible to get these going and will keep you updated always. Let us know if we can do anything at all. - JC
Brownells
Selection. Service. Satisfaction.
http://www.brownells.com

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/14...___please__I_jest_I_jest__don_t_beat_me_.html

 

[calsdad]

I will admit I haven't had the chance to read every thread in this YET but I will say I am pretty pissed to see fellow NES trying to take advantage of their "brothers" in the classified sections. Not calling anyone out specifically but one really comes to mind. I know inter NES bad talk is frowned upon and I apologize for that but I just can't hold my tongue. We have enough anti's trying to screw us. That we don't need to screw each other. I understand supply and demand but this is by definition "full Retard. O.k I will get off my soapbox. Have a good night and stick together

Nobody is holding a gun to your head - and forcing you to buy a gun.

 

[calsdad]

Guys, it's called "capitalism" (on old, out-of-date notion whereby private property is exchanged with mutual consent and benefit without the interference of others). If a guy wants $5000 for a stag and some other guy wants to pay him why should I care one way or the other? If somebody wants to offer an item for a some price I don't want to pay, why should I be upset about it? So we have some items in the classifieds for more than you might have seen a week or two ago. How does that offer to sell hurt anyone? And if someone pays that price, aren't they obviously better off (or are we now going to make judgments on behalf of others)?

It's a never-ending task around here trying to make the simple point that freedom is a good thing. Having options is always better than the alternative. That is why a private offer to sell at any price improves the quality of the market. At worst nobody buys. At best, a trade is made to the satisfaction of both parties. What we have now is a market that is not clearing. Obviously there are people who want to buy guns and the like, but supply is not meeting the demand. It might if the day ladies would shut-up about "gouging" and prices that are "too high".

And for the third or fourth time, everybody here who is absolutely convinced that prices are "too high" should be selling their guns, mags and ammo. After all, what else could a "too high" price mean if not that you think the money is worth more than the goods?

To be clear, I have no idea whether it makes sense to buy gun related stuff at today's prices, and that's my point. Nobody else here knows either -- on the off chance they do, they should put their money (or goods) where their mouth is.

I'm looking at doing that right now. There's a bunch of things that I was thinking about selling - now I've stopped thinking about it and I'm going to do it.

There's an awful lot of people who have waited until this last minute - and now they're out there buying stuff in a panic.

For those of us who have been spending money for years and sitting on stuff - as far as I'm concerned if somebody puts a ridiculous price on something and somebody else wants to part with their money and buy it - what just happened is the buyer just got charged a storage fee and service fee (for being able to buy something RIGHT NOW) - instead of months from now or maybe never.

And if you're out there buying up YHM lowers for $2500 dollars or whatever it was going for - it sounds like you just got charged a retard fee on top of that.

Capitalism is a system of VOLUNTARY exchange. The only reason the prices are high - is because somebody is paying it.

All you guys who are getting all peeved because the prices are so high need to have a good thorough socialism colon cleanse.

 

[pdm]

I'm looking at doing that right now. There's a bunch of things that I was thinking about selling - now I've stopped thinking about it and I'm going to do it.

There's an awful lot of people who have waited until this last minute - and now they're out there buying stuff in a panic.

For those of us who have been spending money for years and sitting on stuff - as far as I'm concerned if somebody puts a ridiculous price on something and somebody else wants to part with their money and buy it - what just happened is the buyer just got charged a storage fee and service fee (for being able to buy something RIGHT NOW) - instead of months from now or maybe never.

And if you're out there buying up YHM lowers for $2500 dollars or whatever it was going for - it sounds like you just got charged a retard fee on top of that.

Capitalism is a system of VOLUNTARY exchange. The only reason the prices are high - is because somebody is paying it.

All you guys who are getting all peeved because the prices are so high need to have a good thorough socialism colon cleanse.

Wait a minute, here ... you can sell guns? Unpossible!

 

[GunGrey]

You have some people who bought something for $100. Who normally would not sell it at $100 to just get their money back. Or at $120 to make only few bucks. But if they can get $150 they will let it go. And likely then buy something from someone else on NES. Buy it or don't. Simple as that.

I have a stripped lower I bought awhile back for $79. So if I decided to sell it. What price would you consider to be socially acceptable?

Ill give you 85$

 

[SKS Ray]

I have a stripped lower I bought awhile back for $79. So if I decided to sell it. What price would you consider to be socially acceptable?

Its tough to say if you have a conscience. Fair to me is making a few bucks and selling it for $100. If its a lower made by a company who has raised their prices in the past few months, ask a few $ more than what they are and what a transfer fee would cost you.

 

[bullseye]

If I didn't care about my rating on GB, I would bid and then tell him to go **** himself

Why not,GB is going to be banned by Diane Frankestein

 

[Marcus99]

This shit is crazy. Rileys was cleared the **** out of almost everything AR-related. Something about this situation just feels...weird. I don't like it.

ONLY good news is reloading supplies are in good stock. I'm guessing that most of the people participating in this buying frenzy are new to the firearms world, hence why the reloading stock is still well supplied. Makes me very happy that I got into reloading well before this shitstorm.

Perhaps Obama will bail out the gun industry if things get really bad???

 

[wfd38383]

I went to two local wal-mart's and their ammo cases were almost empty, I mean of all calibers. Usually they will be out of stock some some popular calibers, but man. Sporadic boxes of 7.62 and some 30-06 but damn sh** is getting crazy.

 

[gearjunky13]

Hay my $900 ar is worth $2000 now, but hay this must be the stimulating economy plan obama had.

 

[wolfhook]

It's full retard in HERE. Check out some of the prices in the classifieds.......

 

[HKdrummer]

I wonder, with regards to the ammo prices, do you think that the manufacturers will see the idiots buying ammo for three times the worth on Gunbroker, and subsequently raise their prices to those rates to capitalize on the profits, rather than allow the consumer to do so? And if so do you guys think the prices will stay there? My only fear is that the market will get askew because of this and stay there with regards to ammo costs. Considering the history of gun owners just accepting how things are, it wouldn't shock me if gun owners just accepted that the new prices of ammo become, the new norm.

 

[wolfhook]

I wonder, with regards to the ammo prices, do you think that the manufacturers will see the idiots buying ammo for three times the worth on Gunbroker, and subsequently raise their prices to those rates to capitalize on the profits, rather than allow the consumer to do so? And if so do you guys think the prices will stay there? My only fear is that the market will get askew because of this and stay there with regards to ammo costs. Considering the history of gun owners just accepting how things are, it wouldn't shock me if gun owners just accepted that the new prices of ammo become, the new norm.

They've already done it with rifles. Local shop on Cape found some available the other day and were quoted wholesale what they had them on the shelves for retail. They said "no thanks".

 

[ColdDayInHell]

This shit is crazy. Rileys was cleared the **** out of almost everything AR-related. Something about this situation just feels...weird. I don't like it.

ONLY good news is reloading supplies are in good stock. I'm guessing that most of the people participating in this buying frenzy are new to the firearms world, hence why the reloading stock is still well supplied. Makes me very happy that I got into reloading well before this shitstorm.

Perhaps Obama will bail out the gun industry if things get really bad???

I've been working my ass off lately at work and have not been able to get to a LGS (not that I would anyway), but I still feel this way. It's sort of like seeing the storm clouds ahead of a forcasted storm. I really hope for everyone else in the country that we don't end up getting slapped with an AWB.

 

[CMEBoston]

ZH was a zoo, everyone was burnt out. There were 3 ARs in the shop, 2 were being transferred and the 3rd was an old preban lower with a new bushmaster upper and it sold later on. Lots of SKS's. 2 carbine AR's and that was it. They had sagias, fals and whatnot but .223, an AR's are long gone.


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[gearjunky13]

Id bet the ar-15 forum is gonna blow up with new members real soon.

 

[Projectile]

Whaahahahaahahahaha!!!!

Don't gouge me bro!!

LOL!

 

[calsdad]

if you sell it for anything less than the most you could get for it you're a pinko

Exactly.

Some of you guys are starting to sound like a bunch of Occupy retards.

 

[wolfhook]

Exactly.

Some of you guys are starting to sound like a bunch of Occupy retards.

There's a bit room between reasonable and retarded.

 

[mikem317]

Pmags are going for $60 a pop on GB. Glad a bought a bunch on Friday (just by coincidence).