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If you do not believe in government, then you should buy yourself a plane ticket( no, strike that....I'll buy you a plane ticket) to where there is no government and lawless anarchy reigns.
You may be surprised that "lawless anarchy" is everywhere Big Brother is not watching, supervising, taxing or issuing permits, like you buying eggs directly from a farm stand or selling a lawnmover for cash. People have lived in "lawless anarchy" for millennia, having a kick ass time until someone comes up with a "protection" racket which in reality doesn't change anything, only the illusion of safety and "service".

There is no way to get away from .gov, planes don't fly there. Anywhere money flows, someone will force the racket again and again, there is a reason state need guns to collect taxes over "voluntary" choice of "purchased" services.
 

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What about the 7,000,000 other jobs? Or you libs don’t want to talk about that?
The trade war didn't create seven million jobs, and at any rate, the overall number of U.S. manufacturing jobs continues to decline -- regardless of if you think they're a result of the trade war or not.
 

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The trade war didn't create seven million jobs, and at any rate, the overall number of U.S. manufacturing jobs continues to decline -- regardless of if you think they're a result of the trade war or not.
Patience, grasshopper! We will get there once we kick globalists to the curb.


The hollowing out of America’s industrial base, and the loss of the highly paid jobs for the high-school educated that went along with them, goes some way to reflect the tectonic shifts in U.S. politics that set the stage for the election of President Donald Trump and his brand of populism.

Last year, 264,000 new manufacturing jobs were added, representing the highest number of new workers since 1988. As a percent of the total workforce, manufacturing rose for the first time since 1984.
 

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She'll remember one.

Rush Limbaugh
I read an article where some lefty said "giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Rush Limbaugh cheapens the honor of the award".
Sorry, its prestige was already diminished when Obama started giving them out to people such as Ted Kennedy, Angela Merkel, Ellen DeGeneres, Robert De Niro and Tom Brokaw.
He also gave them to Oprah Winfrey, Bill & Melinda Gates, Gloria Estefan, Barbara Streisand, James Taylor, Bruce Springsteen and Bob Dylan.
It seems like he only gave them to lefty millionaires and billionaires.
Funny how that works.


Trump gave one to Elvis Presley (posthumously) and it didn't take a hefty campaign contribution.
 
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You may be surprised that "lawless anarchy" is everywhere Big Brother is not watching, supervising, taxing or issuing permits, like you buying eggs directly from a farm stand or selling a lawnmover for cash. People have lived in "lawless anarchy" for millennia, having a kick ass time until someone comes up with a "protection" racket which in reality doesn't change anything, only the illusion of safety and "service".

There is no way to get away from .gov, planes don't fly there. Anywhere money flows, someone will force the racket again and again, there is a reason state need guns to collect taxes over "voluntary" choice of "purchased" services.
And FBI just enforced this excellent post:

'This threat is real'

The FBI has more than 1,000 active domestic terrorism investigations in all 50 states.

“This threat is real, and it affects communities big and small,” Wray said.

Last month, the FBI arrested three members of a violent white supremacist group called The Base.
 

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The trade war didn't create seven million jobs, and at any rate, the overall number of U.S. manufacturing jobs continues to decline -- regardless of if you think they're a result of the trade war or not.
No, you clearly don't seem to understand what the tariffs were for, and you don't understand why the jobs were created. That article is about as accurate as a climate model, which as you may or may not know, have a 100% record for being completely wrong. And unlike many people, I have actually read numerous famous climate research papers, a lot of statistical math nobody understands based on falsified input data and biased assumptions that guarantee the desired result. Those models gave us amazing predictions like half of Florida will be under water by 2014 and the Great Salt Lake would be the beach for an ocean that spanned all the way to the gulf of mexico because all of the ice caps would be gone by 2000, none of which were even remotely true.

The Tariffs were done to give the US a much stronger negotiating position, leverage, over China as it sucks cash out of their pockets, that is the cash they are using to bolster the CHICOM controlled economy, and buy basically the 2nd and 3rd world for their eventual goal of China at the top of a world hegemony. The Chinese have been using currency manipulation, and their large amount of US supplied dollars from the massive trade imbalance. Trump used tariffs to take back a significant amount of that cash which strapped the CHICOM economy, and brought them to the negotiating table for real. We will see where that goes, but I can tell you it caught them off guard because every other administration since Nixon went to China has been corrupted by cheap Chinese imports for their crony capitalist friends and in many cases suitcases full of money from Chinese payoffs. Trump is having none of that. Nixon may have been the only one who could have gone to China, but Trump knows their games, and in the end, it took a very knowledgeable and hard ass Trump to end up selling rice to China.

The Jobs came from tax cuts, as the US was the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Money goes to geographical areas that provide the best return, as sure as heat moves to the cold. Money was pouring out of the US into other countries simply because they had lower tax rates. The other thing that prevents investment is stupid regulations that do nothing for the citizens, or have any benefit other than some progressive wanker who thinks they are smarter than everyone else and want to control what everyone does, then they just slap a "for the greater good" sticker and call it good, go home and congratulate themselves because they fantasize about their amazing intellects and how they used their bureaucratic powers to "help the little guy" while all they did was make sure the little guy would never be able to open a business, or thrive from all of the job opportunities that were being destroyed by the same moronic governmental regulators who have never had a real job in their entire life, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are poster children for this theory. Well, after eliminating thousands of these moronic regulations, rules really, none of them laws, just bureaucrats sitting around thinking of ways to control others, and lowering taxes, viola, 7,000,000 jobs created. And yes, I intended that to be a massive run on sentence.
 
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You may be surprised that "lawless anarchy" is everywhere Big Brother is not watching, supervising, taxing or issuing permits, like you buying eggs directly from a farm stand or selling a lawnmover for cash. People have lived in "lawless anarchy" for millennia, having a kick ass time until someone comes up with a "protection" racket which in reality doesn't change anything, only the illusion of safety and "service".

There is no way to get away from .gov, planes don't fly there. Anywhere money flows, someone will force the racket again and again, there is a reason state need guns to collect taxes over "voluntary" choice of "purchased" services.
Really? Its a lot worse than your examples. Why do you think there is such a backlog of refugees trying to get into this country? I'm talking about places where there is no law but the barrel of a gun.....at least here there is an alternative.
Rule of law gives people the right to have a fair trial and for the abusers of governmental office to be called out on their abuses and punished for them. This not the case in many countries on this plantet.
There's nowhere on this planet that has a constitution or rule of law like the U.S. and people worldwide recognize that and desire to live under them.

If memory serves me correctly, you are an immigrant yourself No?
 
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No, you clearly don't seem to understand what the tariffs were for, and you don't understand why the jobs were created.
I beg to differ, but ok.

That article is about as accurate as a climate model, which as you may or may not know, have a 100% record for being completely wrong.
The Peterson Institute is non-partisan and is the preeminent think-tank on trade economics.

The Tariffs were done to give the US a much stronger negotiating position, leverage, over China as it sucks cash out of their pockets, that is the cash they are using to bolster the CHICOM controlled economy, and buy basically the 2nd and 3rd world for their eventual goal of China at the top of a world hegemony.
I'm not sure if you're suggesting that the Chinese are paying for the tariffs: but if you are, that is dead wrong. American consumers pay for the tariffs, despite what President Trump says.

The Chinese have been using currency manipulation, and their large amount of US supplied dollars from the massive trade imbalance.
Bilateral trade imbalances are meaningless. They are a distraction.

Trump used tariffs to take back a significant amount of that cash which strapped the CHICOM economy, and brought them to the negotiating table for real.
By what mechanism did we "take back that cash" from them?

The Jobs came from tax cuts, as the US was the highest corporate tax rate in the world.
This is a bit misleading. Pre-Tax Cuts & Jobs Act, the U.S. corporate tax rate was very high -- but most companies didn't pay it. The important rate is the marginal effective tax rate, which was about 17% in the mid-2010s. In other words, it's still less than the 21% that President Trump introduced with the TC&JA. The majority of the cash repatriated after the TC&JA went to dividends and share buybacks, and not to capital investments, which is what every economist saw coming.
 

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Jaba Nadler is this close to a major coronary, he should go away and let things take care of themselves or any other slight of hand bullshit will finish the demos for good.
 

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You must be an economics major.

I beg to differ, but ok.

The Peterson Institute is non-partisan and is the preeminent think-tank on trade economics.

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that the Chinese are paying for the tariffs: but if you are, that is dead wrong. American consumers pay for the tariffs, despite what President Trump says.

Bilateral trade imbalances are meaningless. They are a distraction.

By what mechanism did we "take back that cash" from them?

This is a bit misleading. Pre-Tax Cuts & Jobs Act, the U.S. corporate tax rate was very high -- but most companies didn't pay it. The important rate is the marginal effective tax rate, which was about 17% in the mid-2010s. In other words, it's still less than the 21% that President Trump introduced with the TC&JA. The majority of the cash repatriated after the TC&JA went to dividends and share buybacks, and not to capital investments, which is what every economist saw coming.
 

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Really? Its a lot worse than your examples. Why do you think there is such a backlog of refugees trying to get into this country? I'm talking about places where there is no law but the barrel of a gun.....at least here there is an alternative.
Rule of law gives people the right to have a fair trial and for the abusers of governmental office to be called out on their abuses and punished for them. This not the case in many countries on this plantet.
There's nowhere on this planet that has a constitution or rule of law like the U.S. and people worldwide recognize that and desire to live under them.

If memory serves me correctly, you are an immigrant yourself No?
Allow me a small update.

Backlog of refugees is experiencing also every European country including Hungary, Croatia, Italy, Germany, UK, France, Spain, etc.

Why is that?

Because social engineering, as it was practiced by U.S., EU and also the Soviet Union since 1918, failed to produce independent and successful countries. It produced oligarchs instead, and it upgraded tribal leaders into warlords.

People who are refugees now will go where they will get support. Governments need dependent voters and they use money from taxpayers to "buy" future voters.
Nowadays refugees do not care if they will end up in Germany of USA. They also do not study laws or constitutions.

Germany knows today that roughly 50% of new refugees work. Rest of them will end up on the public assistance. New refugees do not assimilate, they are creating diasporas tightly connected to their homelands.

I can go on and on, but I hope you know by know where the real problem is.
 
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If you do not believe in government, then you should buy yourself a plane ticket( no, strike that....I'll buy you a plane ticket) to where there is no government and lawless anarchy reigns.
That’s literally the first bingo square, lol!

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If you desire to live in and among anarchy, you have the free choice to go participate in it at any time....NOBODY is stopping you.
Everyone is stopping you, lol. Literally every place that’s inhabited by humans has governments or people in control or fighting for control in someway. And all those people are very clearly stopping people from living how they want. So as far as nobody goes, your a few Billion people off.
 

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The trade war didn't create seven million jobs, and at any rate, the overall number of U.S. manufacturing jobs continues to decline -- regardless of if you think they're a result of the trade war or not.
Trump's policies created ALL of those jobs

Funny how 8 years of Oblunder malaise and "those jobs arent coming back" resulted in something like a trillion dollars being repatriated to the US along with millions of jobs.....many of those being manufacturing

NAFTA burned to the ground

China trade reset and a message sent on theft of IP and a raft of other issues

I'm no trump lover but to be honest there's so much winning that it would exceed the character limit of a forum post

Stock up on preparation h.....sounds like you're going to need it.......

you check the jobs numbers released today?,.....yea....almost 300k.....double pretty much any month oblunder ever had.....and thats an average trump economic month.

I've got my problems with trump to be sure......but he's a rock star compared to the train wreck of progressivism......

Progressivism/Socialism/Communism.....ideas SO good they have to be mandatory.....
 

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That’s literally the first bingo square, lol!

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Everyone is stopping you, lol. Literally every place that’s inhabited by humans has governments or people in control or fighting for control in someway. And all those people are very clearly stopping people from living how they want. So as far as nobody goes, your a few Billion people off.

If your point is that Tyranny is everywhere then give yourself a gold star......somehow I dont think that was the point you were trying to make though......
 

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I'm not sure if you're suggesting that the Chinese are paying for the tariffs: but if you are, that is dead wrong. American consumers pay for the tariffs, despite what President Trump says.
Hanover, so perhaps this is the view from Dartmouth?

What you say is textbook correct. However, I make my living as an importer from China and Taiwan and I've been somewhat surprised how this has shaken out.

Allow me to quote a recent email from one supplier:

Hi "mibro",

Happy New Year~ Please find our current reduced offer for reference. Complete price list available upon request.

The tariff war with the United States has negatively affected the global economy. My management reviewed our product pricing and decided to reduce our offer. In addition to our margin sacrifice, this reduced pricing also reflected current China tax reimbursement, RMB depreciation and material costs.


This company is an excellent, reliable supplier. I checked the price history on one item I buy a lot of and it looks like this:
May 2018, pre-tariffs - $13.86
March 2019, first price cut - $12.47
January 2020, second price cut - $11.00 - plus 25% tariff = $13.75.

Yes, it's just one anecdote but the CCP is certainly reimbursing export taxes to many/most exporters and the Yuan has fallen 12.5% against the dollar since the tariffs were implemented.

The net result is my landed costs including tariffs remain pretty much unchanged and with some vendor shuffling I expect my gross margin to actually increase this year with no changes to my pricing.

So, at least for me, President Trump has been correct.
 
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That’s literally the first bingo square, lol!

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Everyone is stopping you, lol. Literally every place that’s inhabited by humans has governments or people in control or fighting for control in someway. And all those people are very clearly stopping people from living how they want. So as far as nobody goes, your a few Billion people off.
You're still here, in the good old USA. WHY?
 

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This will be great! Tall Deval is squirming already, let's see what this does to him and Mharty. It will sink CA.
 

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The trade war didn't create seven million jobs, and at any rate, the overall number of U.S. manufacturing jobs continues to decline -- regardless of if you think they're a result of the trade war or not.
if idiots from either coast EVER actually drove thru the country, and drove thru small midwestern towns with factory after factory shuttered....had breakfast in a small cafe, and the waitress saying "yes, that factory moved to Mexico 7 months ago and we are not sure what we are going to do now here".....then you would NOT be spouting bullshit about Trump bringing back jobs to America. These people were, and are, bleeding. All they want are jobs, and evil corporate forces sold them out for a few pennies advantage. Its been going on for many decades.

President Trump is one of the few people to actually do something about it. The last guy was Ross Perot who never made it into office. To say, after 3 short years, that Trump has not completely reversed this flight of jobs from the country is folly. Give his policies another 20 or 30 years, and see where our country has grown to then!
 

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Touched by the hand of leftists for sure.
A few too many Tide Pods maybe?

And to think that "someone" other than himself is paying for him to be there. He should be at an institution, but not a so called institution of higher learning......one with barred windows and locked doors, where medication is handed out and straight jackets are readily available.
 
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