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I know all three of their parents. They are all wonderful people. Truly great human beings. All very smart, with educations from MIT, Harvard and Oxford. 3 of the 6 have Phd's. They are deeply caring parents.

All of them were raised in strict households with loving, supporting parents.

If I told their parents they'd catch hell today. Even though they are in their early 30's.

In this case it's not the way they were raised. It's an attitude...
Have you ever heard about this river in Egypt? People aren't raised in a vacuum. They learn from their parents and what influences their parents allow in their lives. Older people do raise young ones right? Not the other way around. Looks like your buddies aren't as good of parents as you think. Book-smarts and college degrees to hang on the wall do not equal automatic good parents.
 

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I do not think this has to do with a new generation.

I was just like them. There were so many alarms that I have decided to ignore them also. This lasted until I experienced one real fire in the hotel in Toronto. That one was my private lesson. In that hotel you could not open windows, but once I have opened the door the entire room filled immediately with a black smoke. You know, when they tell you to follow the exit sign, they are incorrect, right? You see nothing! What they should tell you is to memorize where to exit the floor because you will see nothing. That was exactly my case. I went into a bathroom and took a wet towel which I wrapped around my nose and my mouth and then I crawled down the hallway. No flames, just smoke was killing me. I was lucky to crawl in the right direction towards the exit. Staircase was full of people who were moving very slowly down.

From that time I take all alarms seriously and I always look which way is the exit, just in case, I will need to use it.
 

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I know two of these families extremely well. And the other well enough.

I've raised three children into smart, successful adults. I navigated their young lives around good and bad friends and saw that bad parents often create bad children. Yeah, I have decades of experience dealing with other families and children.

Do you know these people? Are your judgments based upon real world interactions? My son spent a great deal of time hanging at one of their homes. Another I met at the shooting range and most of the time he had Mom and/or Dad shooting with him. That's one of the reasons I hire and trained him. He showed great respect towards his parents, is smart, and was always polite.

Dude, it's not always the parents. Today's younger generation often does not take responsibility. Sounds like you don't take responsibility wanting to point the finger at someone else.

Judge only what you know really well, and even then be very careful. Stay in your lane unless you're intimately knowledgable about a situation. Your generalizations don't cut it.

Just wondering... will you be voting for Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren?


Have you ever heard about this river in Egypt? People aren't raised in a vacuum. They learn from their parents and what influences their parents allow in their lives. Older people do raise young ones right? Not the other way around. Looks like your buddies aren't as good of parents as you think. Book-smarts and college degrees to hang on the wall do not equal automatic good parents.
 
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I remember living in the dorm in college on the 8th floors. We once had a night with 5 alarms during finals. After the 3rd alarm, I stayed in. I'd rather burn them walk another 32 flights of stairs at 4am with a final at 8. Apparently alot of other kids shared the same sentiment because you could see less of them outside for each alarm. You can be numbed to these things.
 

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So we just had a fire alarm go off in our building. There's construction going on so we figured that was the source.

I wander around the office just to make sure we didn't have any employees left hanging around (including one fella who is partially deaf). Sometimes they have headphones on playing music while programming.

Here's three of them at computer stations on their lunch hours. They are playing Fortnite.

Me: You guys hear that noise? The fire alarm?

Them: Yup...

Me: Ummm... that's a universal signal for get the f*ck out of the building...

Them: Yup, we know...

Me: Let's go. Games over

Them: But there's only 4 people left in the game. We could win.

Me: WTF is wrong with you??? GTFO!!!

Them: OK...

Yup, that's the new generation in a nutshell.

:-(
Based on my age, I am in this "New Generation" except my parents actually cared so they tought me well.

Anyway... fire drill at work, alarm goes off, everyone walks out. We were working in an office inside an old factory.

So, the first thing I do is walk far away from the building to a big empty parkinglot where there are no obstructions. If a firetruck or ambulance comes, they will see me.

I get yelled at by two 60 year old that I was not in the fire drill designated area.

So I walk over to the area and wait for them to stop talking and then point out that their designated area was a f***ing death trap ... my boss was like "dude, WTF are you doing?" ... but I was going to speak my mind:

1. The designated area was through a ONE WAY street, that was just wide enough for one vehicle between the building and the Charles River.

2. The designated area was IN BETWEEN 3 buildings that were all connected.

3. If the buildings were on fire, we wouldnt be able to escape and chances are someone would get run over by an emergency vehicle since there was no room.

Of course, I got my pepe slapped and told to not question the protocol again.

A week later ... they changed the fire drill and told everyone to go to the empty parking lot.

Moral of the story:

1. The older generation raised the new one. You f*cked up and now try to blame them. Its your fault.

2. The older generation doesnt always know what is best.

3. Threads blaming other generations are pretty retarded. Specially when started by the generation that should have educated the one they are blaming.
 

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Add a Klaxon horn to the fire alarm. This will get the most 'stuck' individual out-doors...
 

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Moral of the story:

1. The older generation raised the new one. You f*cked up and now try to blame them. Its your fault.

2. The older generation doesnt always know what is best.

3. Threads blaming other generations are pretty retarded. Specially when started by the generation that should have educated the one they are blaming.
Blaming subsequent Generations was passed down from the Generation that came before Us.
The mantle will be passed on to you youngsters someday too.
It is perpetual, eternal and separates us from the Other Animals in the Zoo.
 

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I do not think this has to do with a new generation.

I was just like them. There were so many alarms that I have decided to ignore them also. This lasted until I experienced one real fire in the hotel in Toronto. That one was my private lesson. In that hotel you could not open windows, but once I have opened the door the entire room filled immediately with a black smoke. You know, when they tell you to follow the exit sign, they are incorrect, right? You see nothing! What they should tell you is to memorize where to exit the floor because you will see nothing. That was exactly my case. I went into a bathroom and took a wet towel which I wrapped around my nose and my mouth and then I crawled down the hallway. No flames, just smoke was killing me. I was lucky to crawl in the right direction towards the exit. Staircase was full of people who were moving very slowly down.

From that time I take all alarms seriously and I always look which way is the exit, just in case, I will need to use it.
My first order of business when checking into a hotel is to make note of means of egress, and doors count from mine to it.
 

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Today's younger generation often does not take responsibility.
The irony of this statement is lost on you. According to you these individuals were taught all the correct things in life but ended up this way because of the generation they are in, yet I am the one generalizing.

Today's older generation often does not take responsibility.
 

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I may not always be right but I'm never wrong...

The irony of this statement is lost on you. According to you these individuals were taught all the correct things in life but ended up this way because of the generation they are in, yet I am the one generalizing.

Today's older generation often does not take responsibility.
 

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Based on my age, I am in this "New Generation" except my parents actually cared so they tought me well.

Moral of the story:

1. The older generation raised the new one. You f*cked up and now try to blame them. Its your fault.

2. The older generation doesnt always know what is best.

3. Threads blaming other generations are pretty retarded. Specially when started by the generation that should have educated the one they are blaming.
I liked your post a lot. Thank you! You are correct.

My parents were exhausted. They have been fighting all their lives. First war, occupation, another war, communists, Soviet Union, .....They did not have time for us. We were growing up outside. I came from the school, dropped the bag, and went outside. That was about it. At 15 I was dragged into a military training and at 18 I was in the communist Air Force.

I would not blame any generations. Each generation has it's own specific challenges they can't prepare for.
 

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My first order of business when checking into a hotel is to make note of means of egress, and doors count from mine to it.
this. in fact, when I used to travel a lot in the 80s, I had a battery operated smoke detector which hung over the door. I wasn't f*cking around, I had friends die in a house fire in Eastie when I was 12..
 

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I have no qualm with what you did. Personally I'd thank you for making a solid suggestion and execute it, while giving you credit for the idea. You got out of a building when you're supposed to, dude.

And maybe blaming the entire generation is a mistake. These three knuckleheads are all about the same age and come from the same socio-economic backgrounds. All college grads. All very smart. And I stand by the assertion they were really well raised.

Now if my kids ignored a fire alarm they'd hear from me. They know that. If I was dead and in the grave I'd dig my way out, find them, and smack them upside the head.

Things like this go up my ass sideways. I'm pretty laid back about most stuff, but safety comes first. At work or the gun range, we follow the safety rules. Even if they don't matter most of the time. The rules are an accumulation of wisdom over time. Fire alarms are one of those times you just act... period. Even if 99/100 times they are BS, there's always that chance with potentially life altering or life ending consequences.

:)


Based on my age, I am in this "New Generation" except my parents actually cared so they tought me well.

Anyway... fire drill at work, alarm goes off, everyone walks out. We were working in an office inside an old factory.

So, the first thing I do is walk far away from the building to a big empty parkinglot where there are no obstructions. If a firetruck or ambulance comes, they will see me.

I get yelled at by two 60 year old that I was not in the fire drill designated area.

So I walk over to the area and wait for them to stop talking and then point out that their designated area was a f***ing death trap ... my boss was like "dude, WTF are you doing?" ... but I was going to speak my mind:

1. The designated area was through a ONE WAY street, that was just wide enough for one vehicle between the building and the Charles River.

2. The designated area was IN BETWEEN 3 buildings that were all connected.

3. If the buildings were on fire, we wouldnt be able to escape and chances are someone would get run over by an emergency vehicle since there was no room.

Of course, I got my pepe slapped and told to not question the protocol again.

A week later ... they changed the fire drill and told everyone to go to the empty parking lot.

Moral of the story:

1. The older generation raised the new one. You f*cked up and now try to blame them. Its your fault.

2. The older generation doesnt always know what is best.

3. Threads blaming other generations are pretty retarded. Specially when started by the generation that should have educated the one they are blaming.
 

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I have no qualm with what you did. Personally I'd thank you for making a solid suggestion and execute it, while giving you credit for the idea. You got out of a building when you're supposed to, dude.

And maybe blaming the entire generation is a mistake. These three knuckleheads are all about the same age and come from the same socio-economic backgrounds. All college grads. All very smart. And I stand by the assertion they were really well raised.

Now if my kids ignored a fire alarm they'd hear from me. They know that. If I was dead and in the grave I'd dig my way out, find them, and smack them upside the head.

Things like this go up my ass sideways. I'm pretty laid back about most stuff, but safety comes first. At work or the gun range, we follow the safety rules. Even if they don't matter most of the time. The rules are an accumulation of wisdom over time. Fire alarms are one of those times you just act... period. Even if 99/100 times they are BS, there's always that chance with potentially life altering or life ending consequences.

:)
The kids are f-ing idiots. I will give you that.
 

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My 11th grade Business Law teacher was also a county fire marshal.
Fancy badge in a leather wallet and everything.

One day the alarm goes off,
and he hasn't gotten one of those memos he detested
which alerted the faculty to a drill.
(He thought the teachers deserved to be
just as surprised as the students).

He got deathly serious, intimated that the next person to talk
was going to be spitting out their teeth, sniffed at the doorway for smoke,
and then locked us in the room.

After the hallways were deserted,
he had us exit the building double-file
in sepulchral silence.

It was a false alarm.

When we were back in class,
he explained that in the case of an actual fire,
all the students lead by the dumbass teachers would panic,
and dozens would be killed in the stampede.
But that was not going to happen to his class on his watch.


When the fire-fighters show up and ask "Is everyone out?"

The answer is always: "Everyone that matters..."
I prefer the Pulp Fiction version:
"No one who'll be missed".​

I was on a cruise ship once. They won't leave until EVERYONE has been through the lifeboat drills. Cappin-PLEASE! As if if this mofo is sinking, it's gonna matter which of these Yellow Submarine lookin things I get in like you checkin boxes and s-word!
Because the cruise line should court a ginormous Coast Guard fine because you've got ants in your pants?


Disney Cruise Lines used to have their drill a fraction of an hour after reaching the open sea.
Now it's dockside.

On the other hand, we used to muster wearing our actual PFDs.
Now we just watch the analogue of a stewardess seat-cushion demo.


I think often, most of the fire alarm stuff is overblown, but they do it because you have to be consistent about it in larger buildings. For example if I was on a ground floor with a lab that had egress to the outside what the f*** do I need to participate in a fire drill for? If the alarm goes off I could just walk outside.
Maybe your dumbass boss is supposed to be counting heads.


Back in the day, the parking lot for DEC HL in Hudson, MA
had a safe-radius line painted on the asphalt,
and labeled assembly areas at the far end of the lot.

But with the hazmat in the semiconductor fabs,
some people's plan was,
"when you reach the stone wall at the property line,
just keep running".


On a funny note; I was appointed the building's "Wing evacuation monitor" a couple years ago - I asked for a gun and whistle but only got a hat.
 
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Want to confuse a big employer?

Wait until the next memo comes out about taking fire alarms seriously. Ask if "seriously" means you are authorized to egress by entering an unattended exit* with an opening alarm on it or if you should take the extra time to leave through one of the regular authorized for normal use portals.

* - Using the federal definition of an egress as an entrance to an exit.
 
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My parents had a neighbor that had a burglar alarm system that sounded for 3 days, continuously. They were gone on vacation, the Cops came but basically said there was nothing they could do. The alarm sounder was like maybe, 30 feet from where my parents bedroom was, so needless to say, they were pissed. When I went over there and heard the racket my mother said to me "Michael do you have a gun that could destroy that?" I was like "yeah but I don't want to get arrested for it". Thankfully about 3 hours later the neighbors came back and disabled the thing, because I probably would have gone over there with a ladder and a sledgehammer and "deleted" it from the side
of their house. It was this shitty old 70s nutone alarm system that half the houses in the neighborhood had that the builder installed on them. It had a flashing beacon on it and a horn under it that was like this low sounding pulsating growl type thing that was annoying as hell, thankfully it was only moderately loud, which is probably why nobody else went over there and destroyed it.

-Mike
Good think nobody reported a gas leak in the house.
 

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Want to confuse a big employer?

Wait until the next memo comes out about taking fire alarms seriously. Ask if "seriously" means you are authorized to egress by entering an unattended exit* with an opening alarm on it or if you should take the extra time to leave through one of the regular authorized for normal use portals.
LOL. Not every fire alarm is for a fire.
 

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My office, which is in the tallest building in New England, makes fire drill participation voluntary. Don’t want to participate? You don’t have to. The drills are seen as too disruptive to client work, as if sitting through a meeting or call with the alarm blaring for 10 minutes isn’t disruptive.

In fact we have an all-building drill scheduled for this morning, with all 62 floors emptying to the street. When the alarms go off I’ll be one of the ones charged with herding people out, but the reality is that most will just stay home until it’s over and come in late, or they’ll go in their office and close the door until the alarms stop.
 
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Every year I make the following statement to NES:

There are literally 5000 year old stone tablets that begin with “Kids these days...”. There are Medieval manuscripts that are dedicated to that same idea. There are parchments written with quill and ink from the 18th century espousing the superiority of old people and describing the silly things younger people do.

People havent changed all that much over the last 5000 years.
 

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People have absolutely changed, what hasn’t changed so much is the inter generational relationship, though even that aspect gets less true as technological advancement accelerates.
 

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No one was coming to turn them off, or anything.
Did you call the fire department? They turn them off. A 4 floor apartment SHOULD have been hard wired if in Massachusetts, but calling the FD is always a good move.

From that time I take all alarms seriously and I always look which way is the exit, just in case, I will need to use it.
Excellent point! Always try the door unless there is a warning sign saying the alarm will go off is opened.

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It had a flashing beacon on it and a horn under it that was like this low sounding pulsating growl type thing
Having a can of expanding foam insulation does wonders.
 
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