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The new "Adversity Score" on the SAT

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Thirwell1216, May 16, 2019 at 11:21 AM.

  1. Thirwell1216

    Thirwell1216 NES Member

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    Well there you go...another way to chip away at the actual accuracy of a test. A feel good score that means you don't have to bribe a soccer coach to get into college. Don't worry, the GRE and LSATs are next:

    Part of the story

    SAT to give students adversity scores to capture social and economic background

    SAT to give students adversity scores to capture social and economic background


    The College Board plans to assign an adversity score to every student who takes the SAT to try to capture their social and economic background, jumping into the debate raging over race and class in college admissions.

    This new number, called an adversity score by college admissions officers, is calculated using 15 factors including the crime rate and poverty levels from the student’s high school and neighborhood. Students won’t be told the scores, but colleges will see the numbers when reviewing their applications.

    Fifty colleges used the score last year as part of a beta test. The College Board plans to expand it to 150 institutions this fall, and then use it broadly the following year.

    How colleges consider a student’s race and class in making admissions decisions is hotly contested. Many colleges, including Harvard University, say a diverse student body is part of the educational mission of a school. A lawsuit accusing Harvard of discriminating against Asian-American applicants by holding them to a higher standard is awaiting a judge’s ruling. Lawsuits charging unfair admission practices have also been filed against the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the University of California system.

    The College Board, the New York based nonprofit that oversees the SAT, said it has worried about income inequality influencing test results for years. White students scored an average of 177 points higher than black students and 133 points higher than Hispanic students in 2018 results. Asian students scored 100 points higher than white students. The children of wealthy and college-educated parents outperformed their classmates.

    “There are a number of amazing students who may have scored less [on the SAT] but have accomplished more,” said David Coleman, chief executive of the College Board. “We can’t sit on our hands and ignore the disparities of wealth reflected in the SAT.”

    The SAT, which includes math and verbal sections and is still taken with No. 2 pencils, is facing challenges. Federal prosecutors revealed this spring that students cheated on both the SAT and ACT for years as part of a far-reaching college admissions cheating scheme. In Asia and the Middle East, both the ACT and SAT exams have experienced security breaches.

    Yale University is one of the schools that has tried using applicants’ adversity scores. Yale has pushed to increase socioeconomic diversity and, over several years, has nearly doubled the number of low-income and first-generation-to-attend-college students to about 20% of newly admitted students, said Jeremiah Quinlan, the dean of undergraduate admissions at Yale.

    “This [adversity score] is literally affecting every application we look at,” he said. “It has been a part of the success story to help diversify our freshman class.”

    Colleges could glean some of the information that the adversity score reflects from other parts of a student’s application. But having the score makes comparisons more consistent, Mr. Quinlan said.

    James Conroy, director of college counseling at New Trier High School, which serves several affluent and mostly white communities north of Chicago, said the focus on diversity by elite colleges is already high and the adversity score would magnify that.

    “My emails are inundated with admissions officers who want to talk to our diversity kids,” Mr. Conroy said. “Do I feel minority students have been discriminated against? Yes, I do. But I see the reversal of it happening right now.”
     

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    At this point, what difference does it make? Most so called college educations are a joke anyway. If AOC can get all As in economics at BU and literally know nothing about economics, everything is just a circus show. Eventually companies looking for new employees need to figure out a degree may mean nothing.
     
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    Gotta love institutionalized racial discrimination.
     
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    Choose the best match for CUP:
    (a) Saucer
    (b) Table
    (c) Stairs
    (d) Pizza

    If you answer (b), it indicates your adversity score should be higher because you're too poor to afford a saucer and place your cup directly on the table.
     
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    Colleges/Universities have become failed institutions who preach a left wing agenda. Trade schools and Tech colleges are the pathway of the future for a successful career.
     
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    For soft skills or a non technical position the degrees are worthless. All it proves is that you can hang out in one place for four or five years and someone was willing to underwrite it. Many of our new hires have meh degrees from (expensive) meh schools and they still can’t show up on time or come into the company thinking that they have all the answers to questions nobody is asking or cares about because they ‘went to school.’ The specialized trades hires are by far the best new hires and easiest to onboard.
     
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    Damn! I should have applied to Yale Law after all. I come from a poor family, was first to college, lived in Woonsocket for a few years (crime rate?), and went to college in my late 30's as a married father of 3. Could have used a few adversity points on my LSAT.
     
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    What does answering (d) indicate? For lunch I always have a slice of pizza to go with my cup of Pepsi.
     
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    I graduated high school in 1988 and was in night school for maybe a year and a half around 2010 or so. I was horrified. People there reading on a grade school level. Open book midterms and finals, take home finals. Seemed like anyone who could pay tuition or who had some sort of free ride could get in and graduate with little to no effort.
     
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    FIFY! To ensure adversity points, I would have selected (e) All of the above. [smile]
     
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    This.

    As a matter fact it's a mistake to go to one of the few remaining top schools that still grade aggressively. That puts you at a disadvantage to every other muppet graduating with a 4.0 from Snowflake U.
     
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  14. Pete85

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    That's what I was saying in 2016 during the debates. When someone asked me what I hoped to see in the presidential debates, my response was "a giant meteor striking the venue during the debate so maybe we can start over and get some real candidates." They weren't amused...they were a Hillary fan.
     
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    Nothing has changed. I have a friend who teaches at one around Worcester. It’s remedial high school English and basic algebra.

    It’s really shocking. We graduate more people from college every year than ever before and yet our population is more ignorant than at any time in our history. And it’s not going to get better any time soon.

    The country is ripe for a dictator. And they’ll welcome him or her.
     
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    It was just a few years ago that I saw an article where companies were setting up remedial math and English classes for their new college educated hires. It’s that bad.
     
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    Honk, honk.
     
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    So I should encourage my son to up the crime rate at his school?
     
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    From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Sounds like a good idea!
     
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    Let's discriminate against the smartest kids in our society who had the misfortune of being born to functional parents. Quite the brilliant plan.

    What we REALLY need is more mediocre doctors, engineers and scientists. Well, we got the scientists part covered already but we need more affirmative action brain surgeons and bridge designers. And pilots, don't forget the pilots.
     
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    mibro NES Member

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    Better add that /SARC tag or you WILL be misunderstood.
     
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    Don't worry, since the education level has slipped, no one will get the joke.
     
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    This is where we're headed:

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXzJR7K0wK0
     
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    college has become a total scam. Want a white collar job? you need a $200K piece of paper, but actual knowledge of anything is optional.

    College will always be an option for my kids, but I'm going to make sure they're informed that the trades are an equally good way to go. Shit, if I had it all to do over again, I'd probably do plumbing or HVAC and start my own biz after getting enough experience.
     
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  25. C. Stockwell

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    You'd still need a 172ish. Living in Wooni and the kids could count for like four points.

    Edit: maybe if you only spoke French, claimed "Quebecois" as your race, and were a raging Quebec left-wing socialist, you might get in. Just yell "Je me souviens!" when you go to the admissions events.
     
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    I was expecting an option e) firearms or something related.
     
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    Nah, you can still get the education for around $15K/year (or less).

    Its just that people dont think.

    First and Second year = Community College (how much does that cost per semester? 4K?)

    Third and Fourth year = State University (not Umas and their retarded prices and salaries, but Bridgewater).

    Unless you are studying a science (real science, not political science or criminal justice), mesicine or engineering, the above will get you any job you want.

    I get paid more than people that dropped $200K in schools. I'm above a lot of those people as well. I did the above. $0 debt. $0 loans.

    Got me that stupid piece of paper so I could get a high paying job.

    2x2 is 4 no matter where you go (unless they teach common core math).

    Even here at NES, some of the people that post about what a scam college is also have threads about how they have to pay several thousand dollars to send their kid to XYZ, but are happy because the kid got a scholarship that covers 50%. So now the debt will only ne around $100K.

    The brainwash level in this society is unbelievable.

    WTF??

    If your kids absolutely have to go to the expensive school, at least do the first two years of Community College.
     
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    Adversity they should really say what this is and drop the A Dversity (Diversity)
     
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    Kids are competitive and they think they need to go to that top school. My daughter scored high enough on the MCAS she was invited to apply for some secret scholarship that would have given her a 100% free ride at any Massachusetts state school. She and her mother did not think that was important enough to tell me about at the time as my daughter had her eye on bigger things. :(

    Now she's complaining she should have gone to a different school as her school does actual grading and it's tough. :rolleyes:
     
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    My kids would have gotten:
    +1 for being half Puerto Rican
    -1 for being half white
    -3 because their mom has 3 bachelor's degrees
    -2 because their mom has a master's degree
    -1 because I have a bachelors degree
    -2 because I have a master's degree
    -10 for leaving MA for a lower cost lower tax state.
    -20 for having a full time mom for 6 years of their k-12 school.
    -30 for not having a 30+ hour a week "community service resume."
    ........
     

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