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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by wahsben, Jan 15, 2019.
The Left, the Wall, the Truth
I don’t want a wall or the people that want a wall. Go bring it somewhere else
So true, all of it, good read, thanks!
All the Dems I know want some type of wall. Just fed up with hearing that "we are going to build a big beautiful wall of concrete 30' high for 2000 miles paid for by MX".
Since 2/3 of the illegals are here on overstayed visas, a wall does nothing for 66% of illegals.
All of the dems i speak with believe we need a wall of some sort for parts of the border, just not that statement above, which btw would cost WAY more than 5B.
Trump had a deal with the dems for 5B in wall if he gave them DACA. But after agreeing to it, he backed out. Now the Dems are just playing hardball politics for that move. Of course they believe they need a wall. Except maybe the extreme left lunatic fringe.
Dennis Prager is the second smartest Dennis I know.
Most of the moonbats I know don't want a wall.
They don't want to open their doors and take in a bunch of immigrants either
There's a wall around Cedar Junction, been there for a long time …….seems very effective in doing what it's supposed to do.
That's not Cedar Junction. It's Whappo State. It always WAS Whappo State. It always WILL BE Whappo State.
Why no wall?
Same here back in the day
don’t wanna be caged in
Good news you can still go north or on a boat or in a plane.
The difference is, those who overstayed their visas have been vetted by the state department, we know who they are and where they came from. If they pop up on LE's radar, they can be identified.
Not the same for border jumpers, we have no idea who the are, where they came from, and don't even know that they're here in this country until they get caught doing something illegal.
In addition to a secure wall, we also need serious visa reform, not just give them out to anyone who asks for one. We should also require them to put up a bond, if they don't leave when they're supposed to, we keep the money and send the bounty hunters after them.
The deal the dems offered for DACA was not for 5B, they only offered half that, which Trump turned down.
ORRRRR, we could make it easy to renew a visa for those that are doing jobs Murricans won't do. Like pick crops and such. Give them some sort of federal ID so that we know who they are. Why have a revolving door of migrant workers when you can just keep a certain amount of them working and stop the turnover?
Make a work visa in certain industries renewable every 6 months for 3 or 4 years. Heck, for big operations, I'd send a guy around to renew them ON SITE instead of these folks trying to get to town while working every day. Not to make it easy for them, but to know WHERE THEY ARE.
That, in conjunction with a wall, will ensure that anyone WITHOUT documentation is not only illegal-illegal, they are probably criminals from SOTB.
The obvious answer is to allow *more* vetted immigrants in on work visas, that way we get the vetting and the work gets done.
Well, since a visa is only issued for valid reasons (such as work or education) and since those individuals who do come on a visa are seeking betterment, and are tracked / known to INS, I have less issues with them. Border jumpers looking for freebies send them back via catapault.
I'm all for border security, but an actual wall isn't going to help. Mexico is never going to pay for it, Mexico tarriffs will take a million years to pay for it, and even if one magically appeared over night, we don't have the resources to monitor all of it. Most of all, I don't want a wall because it doesn't really address how we have the bulk of the illegal immigrant problem today. Immigration reform and enforcement is where most of the money needs to be spent. Sure, help out the border guys too, but the root problem has little to do with a physical barrier. It's kind of naive to think that a physical wall will change anything. Kind of like a little kid's idea of how to stop bad guys from coming into the US, but with no understanding of the logistics behind making it real and how it will operate after building it.
This is where we start to see that solutions are products of their design parameters. Your ideas only work if the intent is to make a functional system ....
Do you lock your doors when you're not home or at night? Because that won't stop a really determined criminal.
Why not let American workers fill the jobs?
Depends on the hypothetical situation. In this scenario, is my doorway 2,000 miles wide? If so, then no, I wouldn't bother locking it because I'd never know if any other portion outside of the lock end was compromised.
They don't want the jobs.
Seriously, finding Americans to pick vegetables or fruits is nearly impossible.
We're not talking about IT work at a fortune 500 here, we're talking about really hard manual labor that Americans simply won't do.
The CATO institute thinks it's a dumb idea:
The Cost of the Border Wall Keeps Climbing and It's Becoming Less of a Wall
Not sure what the point is. What is the border distance between San Diego and TJ? Like 12 miles? That's manageable to actually monitor. 2k miles is not.
No, finding Americans to pick produce at slave wages is impossible. And what’s more expensive, produce that’s priced 2x higher than it is now, or subsidizing the lives of millions and millions of uneducated illegal immigrants who send half their paychecks out of country anyway? How much of our paychecks ultimately ends up in the pockets of illegals?
Mr. President, Do Anatomically Impossible Things
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