The Democrats Will Never Confiscate Your Guns. Instead, You’ll Hand them Over.

Yes, many people will just turn in their guns. That isn't news. But freezing assets and taking peoples' kids away will cause them to start shooting. For some people it would be more of a catalyst than actual firearm confiscation.

Except that people have their assets frozen and their kids taken by CPS every day and I've yet to see a mass uprising or even a significant number of shooting sprees because of it. Oh, you thought they'd announce on 6pm news that they're freezing all the assets of all the gun owners so we'd all know it was happening? Nope. Never going to happen. If this happens to you, you'll think you're the only one. I remember about 3 or 4 years ago there were a couple of cases one summer of some guys barricaded in their homes because the government was going to seize the property for failure to pay taxes. I didn't see a bunch of 2A supporters running out to start a revolution over either case and that is exactly what I would expect the scenario the author described to look like if it ever happened - a handful here and a handful there until they're all gone. Hell, if they go down that road, I bet the NSA just tags on a "let's report this guy is suspect of child porn" to the file when they come after folks who are vocal on NES, just for fun.

Fortunately, I don't believe it will ever come to either the scenario above or the door-to-door cops. Those who own the system already have everything they want. The system produces plenty of wealth, power, and influence already, why bother with the effort of confiscations, camps, and all that other tinfoil hat nonsense? The rancher doesn't need to trap all his sheep in individual pens, he just has to know they'll stay in his field and can be sheared on a regular basis, regardless of what grass they eat and how they choose to bleat at one another. In fact, to much control reduces the output of the system.
 
Nobody in New York, California or Massachusetts is handing over their guns. The plan is a complete failure.

And yeah, taking my kids away is probably one of the only ways to get me to start shooting.

I'd much rather be dead than have my kids know I gave them away.

The author probably doesn't have kids or doesn't love them.
 
Except that people have their assets frozen and their kids taken by CPS every day and I've yet to see a mass uprising or even a significant number of shooting sprees because of it. Oh, you thought they'd announce on 6pm news that they're freezing all the assets of all the gun owners so we'd all know it was happening? Nope. Never going to happen. If this happens to you, you'll think you're the only one.

There is always a tipping point. The British got away with a lot of shit before the Revolution started. Look at the black community? The cops killed one too many innocent blacks. You can only get away with so much. In any revolution, most people will be too scared to participate - nor are they necessary.

But you're partly right - look at the thread here about leaving kids in cars - a lot of 2A supporters were quite happy to let the state take kids away cause the parents left them in a car - to do it for the children. That mentality has to change.
 
something the author is not factoring is that once they declare everything illegal not everyone is going to turn them in, and not everyone of those who dont turn them in are going to sit around and pout about it in mom's basement. once a few of the politicians who voted for it, LE bigwigs who endorse and enforce it, national guard commanders who order their people to enforce it etc get snuffed on their way to get the paper out of the mailbox or put their kids on the bus in the morning it will force .gov to start laying down the heavy hand, and thats when shit will go full retard.

the door-to-door thing has always been a myth, they may talk about it all they want on capitol hill, but nobody in the enforcement class gets paid enough, nor actually wants to go out and do it enough to risk their, and their families, lives by doing it. when ct passed their awb statewide confiscation was discussed in reference to scofflaws by the governor with the state police union, the police told them to pound sand.
 
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Oh sure, you may have gotten your hands on a few guns that would be impossible to trace, even by the NSA. Maybe you inherited a long gun from your grandpa, or maybe you met a guy in a gun show parking lot and paid cash and then never Googled anything related to that gun. So here’s a question for you: how many people like you exist, and how many of those type guns are suitable for urban combat against AR-15s with state-of-the-art optics?

The author needs to study up on guerilla warfare. Anyone with a revolver can walk up to the nearest police car with two bullets and walk away with nice full auto M4.
 
something the author is not factoring is that once they declare everything illegal not everyone is going to turn them in, and not everyone of those who dont turn them in are going to sit around and pout about it in mom's basement. once a few of the politicians who voted for it, LE bigwigs who endorse and enforce it, national guard commanders who order their people to enforce it etc get snuffed on their way to get the paper out of the mailbox or put their kids on the bus in the morning it will force .gov to start laying down the heavy hand, and thats when shit will go full retard.

Yup, once the tipping point is reached, it'll get real ugly. The president is pretty secure - the rest of the government, easy targets.
 
You'll think that. I can work my trade under the table all day long. Plus .gov trained me on ieds till my eyes bled.

As long as you and your customers have cash.... I think the next step in the U.S. game is elimination of currency....
People don't even ask for cash discounts anymore (auto repair) . I'm not sure what direction we are going in ..... I'm just sad that there are people in U.S. government that will do anything against the people....
 
As long as you and your customers have cash.... I think the next step in the U.S. game is elimination of currency....
People don't even ask for cash discounts anymore (auto repair) . I'm not sure what direction we are going in ..... I'm just sad that there are people in U.S. government that will do anything against the people....

Another good reason to buy silver and gold - demand would skyrocket if they eliminate cash.
 
This is happing as we speak. There is no go time clock running down, that ran out years ago. Like another person said they all ready are picking us off one at a time. You want to smoke weed, no guns for you, your a little down after coming out of the service, no gun for you.

You want to protest peacefully against this Government, armed, jail time for and no gun afterwards.
Get out of a car after being shot at in the middle of the Oregon woods, no judge, no jury just executed.

I mean look what happened just two months ago in mass. We awoke only to find that most here if not of all us are criminals.

All they need to do is load your PC up with kiddie porn and plaster your pic on the news, let the court of opinion judge you and then take it all away.

Jason.
 
Shoot the messenger... NES style. Just because it was dressed up for shock value it must be dismissed. Yet guys like Jerry get swallowed up whole and we look the other way. Human nature is a curious thing. Point out a failure or shortcoming and all focus turns to discounting the statement rather than why it was said...
 
some words from the MA AG has managed to send gun owners into a complete panic. no need to do anything door to door when so many have already proved to be 100% compliant.
 
If I may point out the obvious.......if you dont want to someday live under a government that is unlawful and has ZERO fidelity to the constitution then get involved and ensure that your vote counts/elect sane reps/sens/other that are accountable

How many of you have volunteered to help ANYONE's campaign so far in 2016?

If people cant do the easy stuff now like get involved in electing good people......do you really think they have the resolve to do anything to stop the future tyrants/criminals?

the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results.
 
We may end up looking like the aggressors, but this scenario will not play out like the OP suggests. A letter in the mail informing 'us' to turn in guns, only allows more time for 'our' side to organize. Also, CPS agents will quit before risking their lives in said scenario, and the cops ain't coming to your door with them, they are locals, they also like their lives, and the majority like firearms. Point is, any resemblance of 'rule of law' will evaporate in this scenario.
 
... and the cops ain't coming to your door with them, they are locals, they also like their lives, and the majority like firearms...

I take issue with the majority liking firearms. Do you mean they like that they personally have them or they like the idea of common firearm possesion?

I say this because its been said by actual police officers on this very board that actual firearm passion aka "gun nut" is an extreme minority within police departments.

So please correct my interpretation with your factual based data if you could. I was under the assumed impression that most were cool in that regard but have since had my eyes opened. please help me they are tearing over...
 
My understanding is that most cops arent really into guns outside of their jobs. The ones I know personally (not many I admit) have expressed their support of civilian gun ownership. They know the bad guys with guns are the problem. Im sure there's no shortage of cops who believe no one should have access to guns except for them.

It comes down to individuals, like everything else.
 
Yup, just hand them over, put them at the bottom of the driveway with a please take sign after all I wouldn't want them to go off by themselves in the house, let them come and pick them up.
 
I take issue with the majority liking firearms. Do you mean they like that they personally have them or they like the idea of common firearm possesion?

I say this because its been said by actual police officers on this very board that actual firearm passion aka "gun nut" is an extreme minority within police departments.

So please correct my interpretation with your factual based data if you could. I was under the assumed impression that most were cool in that regard but have since had my eyes opened. please help me they are tearing over...


These are my opinions. Based on law enforcement individuals I know, and what they tell me others in their respective depts say. Especially younger officers.
'like' does not mean "gun nut". Like means they agree with common ownership of firearms...
those who do not want common ownership, show me how many want to fight and perhaps die for that(mostly against their neighbors).... bottom line, cops, they are not going to enforce the scenario laid out by the OP .....
 
We may end up looking like the aggressors, but this scenario will not play out like the OP suggests. A letter in the mail informing 'us' to turn in guns, only allows more time for 'our' side to organize. Also, CPS agents will quit before risking their lives in said scenario, and the cops ain't coming to your door with them, they are locals, they also like their lives, and the majority like firearms. Point is, any resemblance of 'rule of law' will evaporate in this scenario.

You're absolutely right. CPS agents won't risk their lives to enforce gun laws. HOWEVER, I bet almost every single one of them would line up to go into your child's elementary school to meet with the principal to take your little girl down to the police station after being told "we have to go pick this child up because we just got a court order finding her father an imminent threat to her safety". The first you hear of it will be a phone call by a police officer saying "Sir, we need you to come down to the station right away, your daughter is here and we need to speak to you".

Unless you're self employed and home schooling your kids, that's a likely approach. There's also the good old fashioned tactic of sending a couple of officers to your job to bring you down to the station for 'questioning'.

As for a letter that will get 'our' side to organize, what do you think 7/20 was here in MA? The AG has already given all of us notice that our ARs are illegal and she's just choosing not to enforce it just yet.

This country may see a civil war 2.0 (hopefully we never come to that) but I can guarantee you that the first few hundred in that war will be killed by police with no more notice than a thread on here titled "looks like this guy thought it was Go Time" where we all laugh at the lone nut who went on a shooting spree.
 
You're absolutely right. CPS agents won't risk their lives to enforce gun laws. HOWEVER, I bet almost every single one of them would line up to go into your child's elementary school to meet with the principal to take your little girl down to the police station after being told "we have to go pick this child up because we just got a court order finding her father an imminent threat to her safety". The first you hear of it will be a phone call by a police officer saying "Sir, we need you to come down to the station right away, your daughter is here and we need to speak to you".

Unless you're self employed and home schooling your kids, that's a likely approach. There's also the good old fashioned tactic of sending a couple of officers to your job to bring you down to the station for 'questioning'.

As for a letter that will get 'our' side to organize, what do you think 7/20 was here in MA? The AG has already given all of us notice that our ARs are illegal and she's just choosing not to enforce it just yet.

This country may see a civil war 2.0 (hopefully we never come to that) but I can guarantee you that the first few hundred in that war will be killed by police with no more notice than a thread on here titled "looks like this guy thought it was Go Time" where we all laugh at the lone nut who went on a shooting spree.

These tactics will only work on a small scale. The level of compliance at multiple levels makes this unrealistic. A modification to the US constitution is the most likely way to confiscation. The military will be forced to back it up, the states will have no say. Like you say civil war 2.0.
 
These tactics will only work on a small scale. The level of compliance at multiple levels makes this unrealistic. A modification to the US constitution is the most likely way to confiscation. The military will be forced to back it up, the states will have no say. Like you say civil war 2.0.

the military going door to door to confiscate guns is about as unrealistic as it gets.
 
You're absolutely right. CPS agents won't risk their lives to enforce gun laws. HOWEVER, I bet almost every single one of them would line up to go into your child's elementary school to meet with the principal to take your little girl down to the police station after being told "we have to go pick this child up because we just got a court order finding her father an imminent threat to her safety". The first you hear of it will be a phone call by a police officer saying "Sir, we need you to come down to the station right away, your daughter is here and we need to speak to you".

Unless you're self employed and home schooling your kids, that's a likely approach. There's also the good old fashioned tactic of sending a couple of officers to your job to bring you down to the station for 'questioning'.

As for a letter that will get 'our' side to organize, what do you think 7/20 was here in MA? The AG has already given all of us notice that our ARs are illegal and she's just choosing not to enforce it just yet.

This country may see a civil war 2.0 (hopefully we never come to that) but I can guarantee you that the first few hundred in that war will be killed by police with no more notice than a thread on here titled "looks like this guy thought it was Go Time" where we all laugh at the lone nut who went on a shooting spree.

We got the AG to backtrack on pre 7/20 ARs without a drop of blood shed.

CPS does this to the wrong person, they will get an office full of CPS agents massacred. That'd put an end to that crap.

There is a breaking point for sane people, and we're not quite there yet, unless you're black, then it's probably go time already.
 
the military going door to door to confiscate guns is about as unrealistic as it gets.


Unlkely for the military to go for mass confiscation? yup. More likely than my 'local police officer' enforcing mass confiscation? yup.
Just remember when you work for DOD you swear to protect the constitution of the US. which right now guarantees a right to bear arms. IF the amendment process is followed and the constitution is amended, the military will have to back that up as well.
 
Unlkely for the military to go for mass confiscation? yup. More likely than my 'local police officer' enforcing mass confiscation? yup.
Just remember when you work for DOD you swear to protect the constitution of the US. which right now guarantees a right to bear arms. IF the amendment process is followed and the constitution is amended, the military will have to back that up as well.

Dont think the antis could ever legally amend the constitution. They'll try an illegal end run, like they always do.
 
One for trash, one for Recycle, one for comingled firearms...

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Tthis has been making the rounds on faceplant, there's a few good points in it but the rest of his article is a blob of shit and tinfoil.

-Mike
 
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