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Texas homeowner fatally shoots teen who was part of group shooting paintball guns at home: police

Well the homeowner wasn't hit....what's he supposed to do?.....stop and figure out what they're shooting at him with?.....my guess is the kids will think twice about doing it again.....and if for some reason the homeowner is charged with something the kids that were there should also be charged.....
 
Lessons to be learned, homeowner walked outside to engage the 'shooter'.

I don't know about you, but if I think I'm being shot at with a real gun, why would I leave the relative safety of my house? I'd engage from a window or a wall as cover/concealment. It reads like he pretty much walked right up to the paintball guy, otherwise, why would there be any question who was dropping brass? I'm just reading the same 4th grade level reporting.

The level of fail is mind blowing in this one.
 
weekendracer said:
Lessons to be learned, homeowner walked outside to engage the 'shooter'.

I don't know about you, but if I think I'm being shot at with a real gun, why would I leave the relative safety of my house? I'd engage from a window or a wall as cover/concealment. It reads like he pretty much walked right up to the paintball guy, otherwise, why would there be any question who was dropping brass? I'm just reading the same 4th grade level reporting.

The level of fail is mind blowing in this one.
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As a rifleman, I would smite from distance. Let the juvenile delinquents use paintballs. I will return fire with M193 or M80 ball in the rifles and 12 gauge slug/buckshot in the 870s. The guy did the right thing. The teenage moron that he snuffed is no longer a threat to society.
 
This is a classic rock salt usage situation. Why he would continuously fire on someone shooting paintballs is beyond me.

A paintball gun sounds NOTHING like a real gun when you fire it. I'd convict him of manslaughter if they dont find any real bullets fired at the house.

I guess there is an extremely remote chance they were using actual sim rounds in real guns, but that would be an expensive and stupid way to paintball someone's house. What ever happened to midnight TP?
 
xtry51 said:
This is a classic rock salt usage situation. Why he would continuously fire on someone shooting paintballs is beyond me.
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If a group of people surrounded my house, and started shooting bullets, paintballs, sim rounds, anything, etc...I'm not sure I would ponder their motive. The guy probably did the right thing. People have been attacked with less scary tactics.
 
Real bullets and sim rounds I would get shooting as it unfolded. If the they were actual paintball guns, I've got no sympathy for them throwing the book at the homeowner and then also charging the friends with manslaughter for being equally as stupid.

Like I said a paintball gun sounds nothing like a real gun. You can't confuse the two unless you're deaf and just see someone shooting something. A literal perfect application for 12ga rock salt and it's likely the law would never have gotten involved, because the kids just would have driven off and dug crystals out if their skin for the next few hours while contemplating life and stupid decisions.
 
Technically you can use up to deadly force to protect property in Texas so this will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
True, but for the property protection part to come into play he'll have a steep hill to climb in court if they really were just paintball guns with regular water soluble ammo.

I'm not saying the guy shouldn't do something. I get the anger, but you gotta have some mental semblance about the level of force you are responding with. Once you fire live rounds and hit a person the government is going to be involved and not with your best interests in mind.
 
Very much agree but a lot is going to depend on the court venue and jury pool. Houston is pretty liberal but go outside the city a bit and it’s a different world
 
xtry51 said:
Real bullets and sim rounds I would get shooting as it unfolded. If the they were actual paintball guns, I've got no sympathy for them throwing the book at the homeowner and then also charging the friends with manslaughter for being equally as stupid.

Like I said a paintball gun sounds nothing like a real gun. You can't confuse the two unless you're deaf and just see someone shooting something. A literal perfect application for 12ga rock salt and it's likely the law would never have gotten involved, because the kids just would have driven off and dug crystals out if their skin for the next few hours while contemplating life and stupid decisions.
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Where does one actually GET rocksalt ammo for a shotgun?
 
There has got to be so much more to this story. I don’t think Yosemite Sam came out blazing because of a paintball gun.
 
xtry51 said:
Real bullets and sim rounds I would get shooting as it unfolded. If the they were actual paintball guns, I've got no sympathy for them throwing the book at the homeowner and then also charging the friends with manslaughter for being equally as stupid.

Like I said a paintball gun sounds nothing like a real gun. You can't confuse the two unless you're deaf and just see someone shooting something. A literal perfect application for 12ga rock salt and it's likely the law would never have gotten involved, because the kids just would have driven off and dug crystals out if their skin for the next few hours while contemplating life and stupid decisions.
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If me and 2 friends lit you up in the face with full auto markers I guarantee you would be in fear for your life.
 
I agree 100% that he probably should not have opened fire on the vehicle fleeing the scene. Leave that to the cops, even in Texas.

OTOH, point this at a cop or a Texan, and don't be shocked if you end up on a slab:
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Houston Police Department Sgt. Joshua Horn said:
“They believed that they were — that their house was being shot at," Horn told KHOU. "The homeowner, the father, came outside to the disturbance, approached a suspect who was standing out here. Believed that he was a threat, fearing for his safety, fired a round at him."
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Latest articles suggest the homeowner will not be charged.

xtry51 said:
A paintball gun sounds NOTHING like a real gun when you fire it. I'd convict him of manslaughter if they dont find any real bullets fired at the house.
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Ever fire a revolver loaded with Quiet-22?

I just picked up a Tippman semi yesterday, it sounds exactly like my suppressed 10/22.
 
whatluck said:
Its possible to consider shooting paintball guns at someone as lethal force.
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It does have the potential to cause severe injury if the victim isn't wearing the proper safety equipment (mask/goggles) and gets hit in the face, eyes, or throat. I played a bit when I was in HS, and on a couple of occasions I saw people require medical attention after taking a paintball square in the throat. That was with the gun chrono'd to safe speeds...if they increased the speed beyond that, it definitely could cause serious and possibly fatal injuries.
 
Pete85 said:
It does have the potential to cause severe injury if the victim isn't wearing the proper safety equipment (mask/goggles) and gets hit in the face, eyes, or throat. I played a bit when I was in HS, and on a couple of occasions I saw people require medical attention after taking a paintball square in the throat. That was with the gun chrono'd to safe speeds...if they increased the speed beyond that, it definitely could cause serious and possibly fatal injuries.
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When I used to play there was some mental case who got caught by the staff using frozen paintballs.
I heard later he was escorted to a quiet corner of the property and got the piss beat out of him.
You can crank them up enough to take an eye right out of someone's head or possibly kill them with a hit to the temple or throat.
Don't point something that looks like a weapon at someone and your chances of getting your ass shot drop dramaticly.
PSGWSP
 
whatluck said:
If me and 2 friends lit you up in the face with full auto markers I guarantee you would be in fear for your life.
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I've played a lot of paintball and been shot in the face.

They did not ambush this guy. They shot at his house, which he EXITED to put himself in the line of fire. That is not even remotely in the same realm as dudes lighting your face up in an ambush.
 
Kevin_NH said:
I agree 100% that he probably should not have opened fire on the vehicle fleeing the scene. Leave that to the cops, even in Texas.

OTOH, point this at a cop or a Texan, and don't be shocked if you end up on a slab:
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Latest articles suggest the homeowner will not be charged.


Ever fire a revolver loaded with Quiet-22?

I just picked up a Tippman semi yesterday, it sounds exactly like my suppressed 10/22.
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Dude. Not a lot of people running around shooting suppressed 10/22 at houses. In fact try to find me a single instance.
 
Mountain said:
Legal defense? Probably. OK? No.
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I agree: not okay.

But, here's what the Texas Penal Code says about it (highlights added):

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime;


Justification for using force under Section 9.41:

Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.


And what is "criminal mischief"?

Sec. 28.03. CRIMINAL MISCHIEF. (a) A person commits an offense if, without the effective consent of the owner:

(1) he intentionally or knowingly damages or destroys the tangible property of the owner;

(2) he intentionally or knowingly tampers with the tangible property of the owner and causes pecuniary loss or substantial inconvenience to the owner or a third person; or

(3) he intentionally or knowingly makes markings, including inscriptions, slogans, drawings, or paintings, on the tangible property of the owner.


If the damages are less than $100 (as in the case of water-soluble paintball markers that can be washed off with a hose), it's a Class C misdemeanor -- the exact same level of crime as a speeding ticket.

So yes: it's wrong, but legally justifiable in Texas to kill someone over less than $100 worth of property damage, if they do it at night.
 

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