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Texas Goes Permitless on Guns, and Police Face an Armed Public
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No, The criminal. If it was not for the criminal, nothing would happen. Criminal should hang for the 9 year old.
One of the things my Father and I used to try and impress on people taking our class was there is no do over once you pull that trigger.
If I read it right the guy was fleeing at the moment ., which in Texas is legit I believe.
I would hope I could control myself if I was in a populated area and not opened up , but not being there it's hard to say.
I'm sure the guy will question the wisdom of it the rest of his life.
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Right. Felony murder?
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Careful there .... suicidal ideation .... suitability ..... danger to self .....
I'm not sure about Texas , but I believe in Georgia you can catch a murder rap if someone dies in the commission of a crime you commit even if you didn't do the killing.
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I think part of it is that having the license shows that you have demonstrated basic proficiency with a handgun.
Training Requirements FAQ | Department of Public Safety
www.dps.texas.gov
1. What type of class/training is required to obtain an LTC?
An applicant may attend LTC classroom training and demonstrate handgun proficiency (shooting) with a Texas Qualified LTC Instructor, orAn applicant may receive LTC online training (classroom only) through an Approved Online Course Provider. After, successfully passing the online classroom portion, an applicant must attend 1-2 hours of range instruction class and demonstrate handgun proficiency (shooting) with a Texas Qualified LTC Instructor.
Note: The range instruction and handgun proficiency demonstration (shooting) can be completed prior to the online classroom portion.
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Hey never mentioned what he would eat.
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The robber should be charged with the murder not the shooter . It’s not like the movies.. The scumbag created the situation. He was trying to defend himself, just didn’t do as well as he hoped,it wasn’t intentional. That being said it’s an awful Situation That never would’ve occurred if it wasn’t for someone being a piece of shit
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Sure. If the government can dissuade you from your rights, you can't protect yourself and then you rely on them more.
Situation sucks. Has nothing to do with permitted/permitless carry. I still believe the USSC is headed towards a "you people can't be trusted" Con-Carry decision.
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"We rightfully attack police who can't make the shot and hose some person not involved. And ill do the same for this guy. If you can't take the shot without hitting someone else dont take it."
"Pretty sure shooting someone by accident is illegal."
"You have the right to defend yourself. You don't have the right to harm people who don't need to be harmed."
Shooter was irresponsible, he killed a 9 yr old while shooting at a fleeing suspect according to the story. If it was my kid I would have returned fire and shot him
"Pretty sure shooting someone by accident is illegal."
"You have the right to defend yourself. You don't have the right to harm people who don't need to be harmed."
Shooter was irresponsible, he killed a 9 yr old while shooting at a fleeing suspect according to the story. If it was my kid I would have returned fire and shot him
I get where you are coming from but, he hit someone in a moving vehicle. How fast was it moving? Was it even visible to him when he fired? His backdrop could have been perfectly clear when he pulled the trigger. Then a truck doing 40-50 mph completely changed that in less than a second. We have no idea. That doesn't mean that the grand jury didn't see some vid from the ATM or traffic cam., etc... that showed them a situation similar to the one I described.
Personally, I'm with @Asaltweapon, I would likely eat one of my own if I killed a 9 yr old.
All this stuff is highly circumstantial, for sure.
I'm not saying this guy should be tried for murder. Or something similar. I'm just saying having zero done is silly or at least seems silly. He's already killed an innocent while trying to defend himself and his family. Provided he's not a sociopath he's going to feel that pain. And the family of the kid he smoked would probably love to murder him and that's also not something that's easy to live with.
It's hard for me to sit back and think of ways I could just kill someone by accident (short of someone running straight into the road and me running them down before I could stop) which would result in zero punishment. They're probably out there but not common enough to pop into my mind from memory.
I'm no fan of putting people in jail for reasons. And I don't think this guy should be in jail for it. As others have stated he's probably going to have a tough time in civil court and he 100% deserves that.
Permitless carry is great. Having grown up in MA in a family that doesn't like guns, it always felt like the right to own guns was for certain special classes of people, not for people like me.
Less than a month after getting my LTC I found out my sister and her boyfriend (also from anti-gun NY/NJ family) are looking into getting their LTC's. Real sign of the times, attitudes are changing. The movement towards concealed carry is enormous.
Less than a month after getting my LTC I found out my sister and her boyfriend (also from anti-gun NY/NJ family) are looking into getting their LTC's. Real sign of the times, attitudes are changing. The movement towards concealed carry is enormous.
Sorry, that is ridiculous and doesn't even make sense. So if you are the victim of a crime, then you are indemnified against any responsibility for everything you do after that crime? And the perp takes the responsibility? It so, for how long does that apply, 2 minutes or an hour or how about a day?
Hopefully you see the fallacy in what you say.
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OK, I missed this part...."while shooting at a fleeing suspect". If he is running away from you, do not shot.
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Should this cop have shot at this perp? Beyond the target are cars traveling on a road way.
View: https://youtu.be/Ox9FpEx4BpQ
View: https://youtu.be/Ox9FpEx4BpQ
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Agree, however the criminal was fleeing away from the victim.
Are you trying to compare the U.S to a country that was bombed for over a decade, where thousands, if not millions, of jobs were lost, where hundreds of thousands of people were forced fired from their jobs and there are huge levels of poverty... to the U.S?
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It’s just a shame he missed. If he didn’t miss then be one less criminal in the world..
I know this is northeast shooters but that’s not how it’s handled in the rest of the country. You’re allowed to shoot a fleeing assailant so they don’t come back..
Just don’t miss..
Sure sounds like it, except that he is using the lawless "country" of Chicago to try to make a rational point.
And fails mightily.
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No, but "just following orders" sometimes does. Look at the federal courts squashing the state indictment of FBI agent Horiuchi in which the court ruled a state cannot prosecute a federal LEO who kills while acting under orders from their agency.
Read that early in the morning and saw Iraq, not Chiraq.
He fails to see that criminals will commit crimes. Take some of the countries with the strictest gun laws and peoppe still commit crimes.
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