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Texas considers allowing open carry of handguns

Associated Press
Published December 14, 2014

Long depicted as the rootin'-tootin' capital of American gun culture, Texas is one of the few states with an outright ban on the open carry of handguns.

That could change in 2015, with the Republican-dominated Legislature and Gov.-elect Greg Abbott expected to push for expanded gun rights.

"If open carry is good enough for Massachusetts, it's good enough for the state of Texas," Abbott said the day after his election last month.

And if Texas, which allows concealed handguns, embraces open carry — rolling back a 140-year ban — it would be the largest state to have done so.

Open carry drew wide support in the 2014 statewide election, and at least six bills have already been filed for the upcoming session, which starts in January. Abbott has already pledged to sign one into law if sent to his desk.

Coni Ross, a 63-year-old rancher in Blanco, carries a handgun in her purse for personal protection and said she'd like the option to carry it openly on her belt if she could. She already does when she's on her ranch and feels comfortable with her gun by her side.

"In one-and-a-half seconds, a man can run 25 feet with a knife in his hands and stab you before you get your gun out," Ross said. "If your weapon is concealed you're dead."

Most of the country already allows some form of open carry of handguns, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a California-based group advocating gun control legislation.

But Texas, California, Florida, New York, Illinois and South Carolina, which make up more than a third of the U.S. population and include six of its seven largest population centers, do not.

Large urban areas have traditionally had the strictest controls on weapons in public because of concerns over guns in crowds and crime control, said UCLA law professor Adam Winkler, author of "Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America." He said it's "pretty surprising" that Texas still has an open carry ban that dates to the 1870s.

"We've been regulating guns in the interest of public safety, even in places like Texas, since the founding," Winkler said. "The battle over open carry of guns in public remains one of the most heated in the gun debate today."

Of the states that ban open carry, Texas easily has the most gun-friendly reputation.

From manufacturers to dealers, Texas has the most federal firearms license holders in the country. It has few restrictions on gun ownership, and Gov. Rick Perry and state lawmakers have actively lobbied gun makers to move to the state.

Texas allows the public display of long guns, such as rifles and shotguns, and open carry advocates have staged high-profile rallies at the Alamo and state Capitol. Concealed handguns are allowed inside the Capitol, where license holders can bypass metal detectors.

But Texas still insists handguns be kept out of sight.

Texas first banned the carrying of handguns "when the carpet-bagger government was very anxious about former Confederates and recently freed slaves carrying firearms," state Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson said.

Overturning a century of law proved difficult, and a concealed weapons law failed several times until it finally passed in 1995 when Patterson, then a state senator, led the charge. Texas now has about 811,000 concealed handgun license holders, nearly equal the population of San Francisco.

Even among gun supporters in Texas, the idea of open carry was considered too radical when the concealed carry law passed. Since then, the Legislature has expanded gun rights incrementally. It made the licensing of concealed handguns easier and, during the last three sessions, held heated debates over concealed handguns on college campuses. Open carry backers believe these debates helped rally support to their cause and that an open carry law will pass.

Open carry opponents, such as Moms Demand Action for Gun Safety in America, say carrying guns on the street is less about gun rights than intimidation.

"There is no way to know ... if that person is a threat to moms and our children," said Claire Elizabeth, who heads the group's Texas chapter.

Despite the early momentum, there are no guarantees open carry will pass. Bills to allow concealed handguns on college campus appeared to have widespread support in 2009, 2011 and 2013, but were derailed by objections from universities and law enforcement.

Most of the open carry bills already filed for the upcoming session would still require a license. One, by Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford, would eliminate the licensing requirement for concealed or open carry.

"The idea is we're going to return our Second Amendment rights," Stickland said. "I can't imagine what the citizens would do if they had to take a class or pay a fee to use their First Amendment rights."
 
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What is this " Open carry in Mass " they speak of ?

Yeah...legal here, but....go ahead and try it.
"Lemme know how that works out for ya"...

Tough enough carrying concealed in this hellhole, let alone open. Someday I'd like to try it, though. But remember, I'm the one who posted in another thread about my friend, who is a state trooper (not a rookie, either - he's an almost-20 years guy) and he told me flat out if he saw someone open carrying, he'll ORDER THEM TO THE GROUND immediately...

He wasn't even aware that open carry is legal here. And when informed of the law, he still "stuck to his guns" (pun intended) and said "Well, then, even if it's legal, you'd be creating a disturbance on the street.. and also distracting passing motorists who would be turning their heads looking at you, and, therefore, possibly causing accidents...You're therefore a danger to the public and I'd order you to drop your weapon and order you to the ground and ...."

This conversation actually took place, just a few months ago. In the CommonPuke of LiberChusetts.
"Hands up! Don't shoot!!!!"

[rolleyes]
 
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Yeah...legal here, but....go ahead and try it.
"Lemme know how that works out for ya"...

Tough enough carrying concealed in this hellhole, let alone open. Someday I'd like to try it, ...

Said it before, and will say it again. It used to be REQUIRED to keep part of your gun showing in MA, or else they'd say you were hiding something. This was probably 70's or earlier, maybe as late as the 80's.
 
Yeah...legal here, but....go ahead and try it.
"Lemme know how that works out for ya"...

Tough enough carrying concealed in this hellhole, let alone open. Someday I'd like to try it, though. But remember, I'm the one who posted in another thread about my friend, who is a state trooper (not a rookie, either - he's an almost-20 years guy) and he told me flat out if he saw someone open carrying, he'll ORDER THEM TO THE GROUND immediately...

He wasn't even aware that open carry is legal here. And when informed of the law, he still "stuck to his guns" (pun intended) and said "Well, then, even if it's legal, you'd be creating a disturbance on the street.. and also distracting passing motorists who would be turning their heads looking at you, and, therefore, possibly causing accidents...You're therefore a danger to the public and I'd order you to drop your weapon and order you to the ground and ...."

This conversation actually took place, just a few months ago. In the CommonPuke of LiberChusetts.
"Hands up! Don't shoot!!!!"

[rolleyes]

Drop your weapon? With his attitude, good luck to anyone who would touch it.
 
Yeah...legal here, but....go ahead and try it.
"Lemme know how that works out for ya"...

Tough enough carrying concealed in this hellhole, let alone open. Someday I'd like to try it, though. But remember, I'm the one who posted in another thread about my friend, who is a state trooper (not a rookie, either - he's an almost-20 years guy) and he told me flat out if he saw someone open carrying, he'll ORDER THEM TO THE GROUND immediately...

He wasn't even aware that open carry is legal here. And when informed of the law, he still "stuck to his guns" (pun intended) and said "Well, then, even if it's legal, you'd be creating a disturbance on the street.. and also distracting passing motorists who would be turning their heads looking at you, and, therefore, possibly causing accidents...You're therefore a danger to the public and I'd order you to drop your weapon and order you to the ground and ...."

This conversation actually took place, just a few months ago. In the CommonPuke of LiberChusetts.
"Hands up! Don't shoot!!!!"

[rolleyes]
You're wrong on a couple of important points.

The irony is that in Massachusetts it's actually very easy to carry, there just aren't many of us. Of all the 'may issue' states, Massachusetts is far and away the most permissive. We make it harder than any other to own a gun, that much is true. But the ability to own the gun comes with the ability to carry it in the vast majority (92%) of cases. People with restricted LTCs are (understandably) squeaky wheels, but their relative numbers are very small. Apart from schools, sensitive places are also virtually unknown in Massachusetts. Go to any so-called right-to-carry state and you'll have to be far more careful to avoid sensitive places when carrying than you are here.

You trooper friend* is way out of touch with the law and with the training that I see most cops getting these days. Knowledge that someone posses a firearm absent other factors is not sufficient for stopping and questioning them let along ordering them to the ground. If your trooper friend or any other MA LEO did that they'd be risking a 1983 civil rights trip to federal district court for themselves and their employer. Yes, I'd love to see that.

I don't open carry (much) myself, but I also don't jump through hoops to conceal my carry gun either. The biggest arguments against open carry (at least in Massachusetts) is that, if practiced widely, it may lead to the legislature creating a concealment requirement in the law, and it kind of makes you look like an attention-whore.

*I'm willing to bet the trooper in question know better and is just voicing an opinion.
 
I would like to see a senator here open carry in public. Then we will see how police twist our law. But hey, all our senators are liberals, anti gun extremists. How disappointing!
 
Yeah...legal here, but....go ahead and try it.
"Lemme know how that works out for ya"...

Tough enough carrying concealed in this hellhole, let alone open. Someday I'd like to try it, though. But remember, I'm the one who posted in another thread about my friend, who is a state trooper (not a rookie, either - he's an almost-20 years guy) and he told me flat out if he saw someone open carrying, he'll ORDER THEM TO THE GROUND immediately...

He wasn't even aware that open carry is legal here. And when informed of the law, he still "stuck to his guns" (pun intended) and said "Well, then, even if it's legal, you'd be creating a disturbance on the street.. and also distracting passing motorists who would be turning their heads looking at you, and, therefore, possibly causing accidents...You're therefore a danger to the public and I'd order you to drop your weapon and order you to the ground and ...."

This conversation actually took place, just a few months ago. In the CommonPuke of LiberChusetts.
"Hands up! Don't shoot!!!!"

[rolleyes]

I love how other peoples irrational fears translate into common law to a lot of cops. YOU HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FEEL SAFE! But I do have my right to make myself safe.
 
Said it before, and will say it again. It used to be REQUIRED to keep part of your gun showing in MA, or else they'd say you were hiding something. This was probably 70's or earlier, maybe as late as the 80's.

I remember this from when I was a kid. My dad always said (I forget how much) a certain percentage needed to be visible at all times.
 
I remember this from when I was a kid. My dad always said (I forget how much) a certain percentage needed to be visible at all times.

Funny how the law and enforcement thereof tends to change over time on the whims and feelings of pols and a select few people. I imagine this is why the Founding Fathers intended to have these rights explicit in the Constitution.
 
I open carry my shotgun in MA all the time. I live in a pretty rural area. I hunt in the woods near my house. One of the hunting areas is a short walk up my street, and a couple hundred yards down the next street to where I hit the trail head that takes me into the woods. I carry my slung shotgun over my shoulder & walk right in the middle of the street. I've had neighbors pass and wave. Never had a moment's trouble.

Yes I observe all laws, and it's unloaded until I'm well off the street.
 
Texas isn't a Freedom Mecca that some make it out to be. I can think of five states that have better gun laws than TX: VT, MT, AK, NH and AZ.
 
I thought Arkansas had a ten round magazine limit...from when Bill Clinton was Gov.?
Has this changed?
ggboy.

The R's really took over the legislature in '10 I believe. AR went from the last southern D state along with LA to flip and be completely controlled by R's. I believe R's have every state wide office, dominate the legislature, both senate seats and I think all of all but 1 congressional seat. They have been very proactive in fixing the crap gun stuff from decades of D control. I believe they are constitutional carry now too.
 
Can't say I've ever seen anyone open carry in MA, regardless of its legality. I'd say "it would be fun to try," but the "fun" part would probably last all of 10 minutes.
 
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