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I would have to imagine that outfits like TSUSA and others both big and small are glad that Walmart cucked themselves out of the extra-killy ammo market.
With their buying power already slim inventory availability would doubtless be slimmer.

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CatSnoutSoup said:
I would have to imagine that outfits like TSUSA and others both big and small are glad that Walmart cucked themselves out of the extra-killy ammo market.
With their buying power already slim inventory availability would doubtless be slimmer.

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I still contend that Walmart getting out of the extra-killy ammo business is at least half the cause of the current US ammo crisis. :mad:
 
EJFudd said:
I still contend that Walmart getting out of the extra-killy ammo business is at least half the cause of the current US ammo crisis. :mad:
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Well if the ammo manufacturers are to be believed, and I have read reports from both Vista and OlIn conference calls, they are flat out in production and stockpiles at their usual distributers are completely depleted.

How do you feel Walmart still being in the market would have changed this? Granted they would have had built up inventory in place but all indications are that it would have been wiped out by this point as well, no?

Honest questions as I have by no means an expertise in supply chain economics.

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In this period of manufacturers running at full capacity, and supplies still being completely depleted, I do not think Walmart's participation would make any difference.

However, it is a different story when things begin to ease. In previous shortages, when supply began to ease, but prices were still high, Walmart put the strongest downward pressure on prices. And I believe pressure from Walmart drove prices down farther and faster than would have happened from competition among the other vendors.

It be a while before we find out what the end of this shortage will look like, but I am expecting the trend back towards "normal" to be slow. And it may be a very long time before prices get back to where materials and manufacturing costs would indicate.
 
CatSnoutSoup said:
Well if the ammo manufacturers are to be believed, and I have read reports from both Vista and OlIn conference calls, they are flat out in production and stockpiles at their usual distributors are completely depleted.

How do you feel Walmart still being in the market would have changed this? Granted they would have had built up inventory in place but all indications are that it would have been wiped out by this point as well, no?

Honest questions as I have by no means an expertise in supply chain economics.

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You are looking at the result of the current ammo panic. I am talking about the causes of the current ammo panic. I firmly believe that Walmart getting out of the business left a lot of shooters without a local, reliable, affordable source of ammo. Now add the China Flu and the fears of a leftist DimocRAT administration to the mix and here we are in another ammo availability and cost crisis (the worst one yet in my long, sorry lifetime).

Now, I am not talking about everyone when I say that Walmart was the go-to source of affordable ammo for a whole lot of people. I'm not even necessarily talking about a good chunk of NES shooters. But there is no denying that Walmart was a huge player nationally in getting affordable ammo out to the masses.

Think of toilet paper. How many people had to panic before you couldn't buy it anywhere. My point is that it doesn't take a lot of people cut off from their usual source of something to cause a panic.

When ammo (or toilet paper) is on the shelves, nobody wants it (okay, figuratively speaking). When ammo disappears from the shelves, everyone wants it. Walmart had ammo on the shelves for a ton of people... right up until the day they didn't. [thinking]
 
EJFudd said:
You are looking at the result of the current ammo panic. I am talking about the causes of the current ammo panic. I firmly believe that Walmart getting out of the business left a lot of shooters without a local, reliable, affordable source of ammo. Now add the China Flu and the fears of a leftist DimocRAT administration to the mix and here we are in another ammo availability and cost crisis (the worst one yet in my long, sorry lifetime).

Now, I am not talking about everyone when I say that Walmart was the go-to source of affordable ammo for a whole lot of people. I'm not even necessarily talking about a good chunk of NES shooters. But there is no denying that Walmart was a huge player nationally in getting affordable ammo out to the masses.

Think of toilet paper. How many people had to panic before you couldn't buy it anywhere. My point is that it doesn't take a lot of people cut off from their usual source of something to cause a panic.

When ammo (or toilet paper) is on the shelves, nobody wants it (okay, figuratively speaking). When ammo disappears from the shelves, everyone wants it. Walmart had ammo on the shelves for a ton of people... right up until the day they didn't. [thinking]
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But the reason ammo wasn't on the shelves was NOT a decision by Walmart, that decision not to sell ammo came AFTER the supply had already been depleted. The ammo shortage is a supply issue, not a distribution or retail issue.
As it was said, Walmart is big in driving down prices. The push for ever lower pricing forces others to lower their pricing to compete. And their not being part of the equation will slow the return to normal pricing. It may even mean that with the reduced competition, and a possible end to on-line sales thanks to Biden, we will never get back to normal pricing.
 
42! said:
But the reason ammo wasn't on the shelves was NOT a decision by Walmart, that decision not to sell ammo came AFTER the supply had already been depleted. The ammo shortage is a supply issue, not a distribution or retail issue.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you there. Walmart announced that it would no longer sell extra-killy ammo in early September of 2019.

www.cnn.com

Walmart ends all handgun ammunition sales and asks customers not to carry guns into stores | CNN Business

Walmart on Tuesday announced it will reduce its gun and ammunition sales, one month after more than 20 people were killed in a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas. Walmart also pressured Congress to enact gun safety measures.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

I made a semi-killing buying the last of Walmart's extra-killy ammo in my local Walmart on December 12th & 13th, 2019. I was told that they wanted all extra-killy ammo gone off their shelves by December 31, 2019 or it would be donated to the local police.

In my experience, the current ammo crisis or panic didn't really get going until late-March, 2020. Up until mid-March, I was able to buy whatever I wanted locally (Cabela's and Bass Pro, etc.) and via on-line (TSUSA) at non-inflated prices. Even as late as August 2020, I was still able to order some specialty ammo I wanted with no problem at all. After August, things began to get tight and luck mattered a lot. I consider September and on to be the full-blown Ammo Crisis (or Panic) of 2020.

Now, I'll admit that your situation as a dealer may vary a lot. This is just my experience... and I'll always stand by my opinion that Walmart helped to cause (note the careful choice of words) the Great Ammo Crisis of 2020.
 
42! said:
But the reason ammo wasn't on the shelves was NOT a decision by Walmart, that decision not to sell ammo came AFTER the supply had already been depleted. The ammo shortage is a supply issue, not a distribution or retail issue.
As it was said, Walmart is big in driving down prices. The push for ever lower pricing forces others to lower their pricing to compete. And their not being part of the equation will slow the return to normal pricing. It may even mean that with the reduced competition, and a possible end to on-line sales thanks to Biden, we will never get back to normal pricing.
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EJFudd said:
I have to respectfully disagree with you there. Walmart announced that it would no longer sell extra-killy ammo in early September of 2019.

www.cnn.com

Walmart ends all handgun ammunition sales and asks customers not to carry guns into stores | CNN Business

Walmart on Tuesday announced it will reduce its gun and ammunition sales, one month after more than 20 people were killed in a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas. Walmart also pressured Congress to enact gun safety measures.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

I made a semi-killing buying the last of Walmart's extra-killy ammo in my local Walmart on December 12th & 13th, 2019. I was told that they wanted all extra-killy ammo gone off their shelves by December 31, 2019 or it would be donated to the local police.

In my experience, the current ammo crisis or panic didn't really get going until late-March, 2020. Up until mid-March, I was able to buy whatever I wanted locally (Cabela's and Bass Pro, etc.) and via on-line (TSUSA) at non-inflated prices. Even as late as August 2020, I was still able to order some specialty ammo I wanted with no problem at all. After August, things began to get tight and luck mattered a lot. I consider September and on to be the full-blown Ammo Crisis (or Panic) of 2020.

Now, I'll admit that your situation as a dealer may vary a lot. This is just my experience... and I'll always stand by my opinion that Walmart helped to cause (note the careful choice of words) the Great Ammo Crisis of 2020.
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Are you disagreeing with the whole statement, that it's a supply issue, or are you ONLY disagreeing with the WHEN Walmart stopped selling ammo?
 
EJFudd said:
I have to respectfully disagree with you there. Walmart announced that it would no longer sell extra-killy ammo in early September of 2019.

www.cnn.com

Walmart ends all handgun ammunition sales and asks customers not to carry guns into stores | CNN Business

Walmart on Tuesday announced it will reduce its gun and ammunition sales, one month after more than 20 people were killed in a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas. Walmart also pressured Congress to enact gun safety measures.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

I made a semi-killing buying the last of Walmart's extra-killy ammo in my local Walmart on December 12th & 13th, 2019. I was told that they wanted all extra-killy ammo gone off their shelves by December 31, 2019 or it would be donated to the local police.

In my experience, the current ammo crisis or panic didn't really get going until late-March, 2020. Up until mid-March, I was able to buy whatever I wanted locally (Cabela's and Bass Pro, etc.) and via on-line (TSUSA) at non-inflated prices. Even as late as August 2020, I was still able to order some specialty ammo I wanted with no problem at all. After August, things began to get tight and luck mattered a lot. I consider September and on to be the full-blown Ammo Crisis (or Panic) of 2020.

Now, I'll admit that your situation as a dealer may vary a lot. This is just my experience... and I'll always stand by my opinion that Walmart helped to cause (note the careful choice of words) the Great Ammo Crisis of 2020.
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idunno that could be on the edge of a pretty wild conspiracy theory. They would need to stop selling ammo early enough to cancel or not place big enough orders that would cause some major manufactures to slow down the manufacturing process enough but in a way it wouldnt be noticed for many months. In order to do that, on purpose, they would need to know the wuflu/mass hysteria was coming and in order to know they would need to be part of some sort of mass conglomerate trying to change through tyranny in disguise of socialism which after the ball was rolling would need call it something ludicrious like "The Great Reset" or some other foolish na....oh nevermind.
 
42! said:
Are you disagreeing with the whole statement, that it's a supply issue, or are you ONLY disagreeing with the WHEN Walmart stopped selling ammo?
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Please don't misstate my position! I am respectfully disagreeing with this:
42! said:
But the reason ammo wasn't on the shelves was NOT a decision by Walmart, that decision not to sell ammo came AFTER the supply had already been depleted. The ammo shortage is a supply issue, not a distribution or retail issue.
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The ammo shortages only started to materialize considerably after Walmart stopped selling extra-killy ammo. I certainly didn't see any ammo shortages while Walmart was still selling extra-killy ammo. If that had been the case, the Great Walmart Ammo Selloff of 2019 would not have been able to take place because it all would have been sold off before December of 2019.

I have no disagreement at all with this:
42! said:
As it was said, Walmart is big in driving down prices. The push for ever lower pricing forces others to lower their pricing to compete. And their not being part of the equation will slow the return to normal pricing. It may even mean that with the reduced competition, and a possible end to on-line sales thanks to Biden, we will never get back to normal pricing.
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