Strict gun laws on ballot for Oregon

The happy fun ball is if they're a felon or something and just get to use the "im an illegal i want a DL" thing to procure a license using easily forged documents. It's not like the RMV is going to be great at analyzing the authenticity of a birth certificate from "The Republic of Eastern Zardoz" printed in some foreign language with a fancy looking logo on it.... they can literally establish a false identity just by forging a few documents.
They do that now.
A place I used to work got off their asses and did the background checks and found 30 with fake DLs and social security numbers.
Now it's all nice and legit.
 
Californians ruined it. Just like Washington State and Colorado.

lol

Where do you think all those "Californians" came from?

They were liberals from other states that wanted to be Californian.

California used to be all about doing whatever the hell you wanted to do, then everybody started moving there from other states trying to be "Californian" and f'd it all up. Lotsa people from TX, VA you name it, moved to California and turned it into what it is today.
 
I hope MA is the reason why they re-issue all the Real ID ... or just require passports for all Fedeal buildings ... or other States stop accepting our DL - that would be awesome.
In all honesty, I do not give 2.5 shits! Not traveling again. Traveled many times to bail family and so-called "friends" out of problems that were of their own creation. Never boarding an airplane again. I will never be called to federal jury duty because I don't have a Real ID driver's license to enter the federal courthouse but trusted enough to be issued a Class A LTC. I am done! If I can't drive there within 2 or 3 days max I'm not going!
 
That pile of shit needs to be challenged. What about equal rights etc..
Police agencies quietly expanded their powers. LEOSA carry is one hell of a perk that us peons don't have. Thanks to military giveaway programs, even private police departments such as campus police and railroad police were able to acquire M14 and M16 rifles. Some even got M79s. All that is required is to be sworn and certified police, whether public or private. Most campus police in the Boston area have post-ban AR15s and high-capacity magazines in their armories, which is strictly prohibited for the rest of us. Boston University and Northeastern University police are prime examples. They are not allowed to have police plates on their patrol cars, though.
 
Police agencies quietly expanded their powers. LEOSA carry is one hell of a perk that us peons don't have. Thanks to military giveaway programs, even private police departments such as campus police and railroad police were able to acquire M14 and M16 rifles. Some even got M79s. All that is required is to be sworn and certified police, whether public or private. Most campus police in the Boston area have post-ban AR15s and high-standard-capacity magazines in their armories, which is strictly prohibited for the rest of us. Boston University and Northeastern University police are prime examples. They are not allowed to have police plates on their patrol cars, though.
Fixed. Wonder if it would ever be struck down. I bet not.
 
lol

Where do you think all those "Californians" came from?

They were liberals from other states that wanted to be Californian.

California used to be all about doing whatever the hell you wanted to do, then everybody started moving there from other states trying to be "Californian" and f'd it all up. Lotsa people from TX, VA you name it, moved to California and turned it into what it is today.
Beverly Hillbillies is what started the trend.
 
Portland went from a west coast Cambridge, MA/hipster haven to an insane asylum in the span of a decade.
Seattle is all f***ed up as well. Used to be a nice city, but now the only really safe part is Mercer Island and you need to be super rich to live there. California is a cancerous tumor that metastasized to its neighboring states.
 
OPB is basically PBR/Oregon.


For many on both sides, the newly approved rules by voters feel deeply personal and will change day-to-day life​

Juniper Rook, 17, is too young to vote. But that didn’t keep her from constantly refreshing the vote totals for Measure 114, which she campaigned for in the hopes that it would keep her and her classmates safe. When the lead of the Yes on Measure 114 campaign in Bend texted her to say it passed, she cried.

“It’s just so surreal to know that Oregon is one of the states that’s taking a first big step to creating a safer place for all people,” Rook said.

The high school student, who lives in Redmond, said she and many of her friends can feel anxious about going to school because shootings have become so common. She said she started advocating for stricter gun laws when 17 students were killed at Stoneman Douglas High school in Florida. She was 12.

“I feel like even adults who aren’t parents kind of have this responsibility to keep kids my age safe,” she said. “And it really was not happening up until now. It was super disappointing.”
This week though, she’s proud of the grown-ups.

Amazement, sadness, fear, relief, a renewed faith in humanity and a dark feeling that things will keep getting worse – all of these reactions swept the state as it became clear this week that Measure 114 would pass by about two percentage points.

Thirty days after the vote is certified, the new laws requiring a permit to purchase a firearm and banning magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition will go into effect. The change will rocket Oregon from the middle of the pack to among the 10 states with the tightest gun regulations in the country. And for many on both sides, the coming changes feel deeply personal in a way that will change their daily life.

Paul Donheffner, the legislative committee chairman with the Oregon Hunters Association who had advocated against Measure 114, was disappointed. What, he wondered, would his various hunting associations use for their fundraising raffles if they couldn’t give rifles to people who may not have up-to-date purchase permits?

“It had a very appealing title, ‘reduction of gun violence act,’” he said. “If that’s all you read before you voted, then you’d say yes. I mean, who’s for gun violence? Nobody.”

Donheffner, who lives in Marion County, takes gun safety seriously, but he thinks creating a permit system that requires a course in gun safety will be expensive and unwieldy. And he doesn’t think it will do anything to cut down on the increased gun violence in Portland or to reduce mass shootings.

“It is going to put a lot of honest citizens through the wringer,” he said. “The people that are committing gun violence aren’t going to get a [permit to purchase], you’re not going to get a background check, you’re not going to go through all this rigamarole.”

As might be expected, the measure passed overwhelmingly in Multnomah County, with 74% of the vote as of Thursday evening. It was much closer in Deschutes County, a mostly rural region anchored by Bend. Voters there were nearly 50-50 for and against. With just over 100,000 votes cast, the measure was defeated by about 1,000 votes.

In rural, mountainous Wallowa County, the numbers were almost exactly reversed from Multnomah, with 73% of voters saying no thank you to tighter gun laws. More people there voted against stricter gun laws than voted for Republican candidate for governor Christine Drazan. At the same time, the new rules were more popular to Wallowans than Democratic Gov.-elect Tina Kotek, who pulled about 100 fewer votes than Measure 114 did in the Eastern Oregon county.
(emphasis is mine)
Overall, the measure would have lost in 29 of Oregon’s 36 counties. But the places where it won hold the bulk of the state’s population.

Regardless of how individual Oregonians voted, the rules laid out in Measure 114 will soon be law for all residents. But exactly what happens next is slightly unclear. A spokesperson for the Oregon State Police, the agency tasked with creating the permit to purchase system and overseeing the new background checks, said they would not be able to provide specific information about the timeline for the “rulemaking” process they will go through to work out the kinks until the election is certified by the Secretary of State.

Lack of guidance from the state law enforcement agency hasn’t prevented some county sheriffs, like Michelle Duncan in Linn County and Brad Lohrey in Sherman County, from saying they won’t enforce the ban on high capacity magazines. It’s unclear exactly what that means, since sheriffs aren’t legally allowed to contravene state law.

Some in the leftist community are less worried about sheriffs not enforcing the law than about them having too much power over who gets a permit. And that’s just one detail of the law that has gun owners worried.

For example, anyone who currently owns larger capacity magazines or guns that carry more bullets are allowed to keep them under the new rules, but many worry they will have a hard time proving a purchase date.

“It is impossible to prove when you actually acquired [a magazine],” said Kevin Starrett, the leader of the No on Measure 114 campaign in an August interview. “The burden of proof is on you, the defendant. It’s impossible to prove when you bought a magazine, because they have no identifying marks on them.”

More dribble at the link:

Related: Linn County sheriff says part of Oregon gun measure won’t be enforced
 
OPB is basically PBR/Oregon.


For many on both sides, the newly approved rules by voters feel deeply personal and will change day-to-day life​

Juniper Rook, 17, is too young to vote. But that didn’t keep her from constantly refreshing the vote totals for Measure 114, which she campaigned for in the hopes that it would keep her and her classmates safe. When the lead of the Yes on Measure 114 campaign in Bend texted her to say it passed, she cried.

“It’s just so surreal to know that Oregon is one of the states that’s taking a first big step to creating a safer place for all people,” Rook said.

The high school student, who lives in Redmond, said she and many of her friends can feel anxious about going to school because shootings have become so common. She said she started advocating for stricter gun laws when 17 students were killed at Stoneman Douglas High school in Florida. She was 12.

“I feel like even adults who aren’t parents kind of have this responsibility to keep kids my age safe,” she said. “And it really was not happening up until now. It was super disappointing.”
This week though, she’s proud of the grown-ups.

Amazement, sadness, fear, relief, a renewed faith in humanity and a dark feeling that things will keep getting worse – all of these reactions swept the state as it became clear this week that Measure 114 would pass by about two percentage points.

Thirty days after the vote is certified, the new laws requiring a permit to purchase a firearm and banning magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition will go into effect. The change will rocket Oregon from the middle of the pack to among the 10 states with the tightest gun regulations in the country. And for many on both sides, the coming changes feel deeply personal in a way that will change their daily life.

Paul Donheffner, the legislative committee chairman with the Oregon Hunters Association who had advocated against Measure 114, was disappointed. What, he wondered, would his various hunting associations use for their fundraising raffles if they couldn’t give rifles to people who may not have up-to-date purchase permits?

“It had a very appealing title, ‘reduction of gun violence act,’” he said. “If that’s all you read before you voted, then you’d say yes. I mean, who’s for gun violence? Nobody.”

Donheffner, who lives in Marion County, takes gun safety seriously, but he thinks creating a permit system that requires a course in gun safety will be expensive and unwieldy. And he doesn’t think it will do anything to cut down on the increased gun violence in Portland or to reduce mass shootings.

“It is going to put a lot of honest citizens through the wringer,” he said. “The people that are committing gun violence aren’t going to get a [permit to purchase], you’re not going to get a background check, you’re not going to go through all this rigamarole.”

As might be expected, the measure passed overwhelmingly in Multnomah County, with 74% of the vote as of Thursday evening. It was much closer in Deschutes County, a mostly rural region anchored by Bend. Voters there were nearly 50-50 for and against. With just over 100,000 votes cast, the measure was defeated by about 1,000 votes.

In rural, mountainous Wallowa County, the numbers were almost exactly reversed from Multnomah, with 73% of voters saying no thank you to tighter gun laws. More people there voted against stricter gun laws than voted for Republican candidate for governor Christine Drazan. At the same time, the new rules were more popular to Wallowans than Democratic Gov.-elect Tina Kotek, who pulled about 100 fewer votes than Measure 114 did in the Eastern Oregon county.
(emphasis is mine)
Overall, the measure would have lost in 29 of Oregon’s 36 counties. But the places where it won hold the bulk of the state’s population.

Regardless of how individual Oregonians voted, the rules laid out in Measure 114 will soon be law for all residents. But exactly what happens next is slightly unclear. A spokesperson for the Oregon State Police, the agency tasked with creating the permit to purchase system and overseeing the new background checks, said they would not be able to provide specific information about the timeline for the “rulemaking” process they will go through to work out the kinks until the election is certified by the Secretary of State.

Lack of guidance from the state law enforcement agency hasn’t prevented some county sheriffs, like Michelle Duncan in Linn County and Brad Lohrey in Sherman County, from saying they won’t enforce the ban on high capacity magazines. It’s unclear exactly what that means, since sheriffs aren’t legally allowed to contravene state law.

Some in the leftist community are less worried about sheriffs not enforcing the law than about them having too much power over who gets a permit. And that’s just one detail of the law that has gun owners worried.

For example, anyone who currently owns larger capacity magazines or guns that carry more bullets are allowed to keep them under the new rules, but many worry they will have a hard time proving a purchase date.

“It is impossible to prove when you actually acquired [a magazine],” said Kevin Starrett, the leader of the No on Measure 114 campaign in an August interview. “The burden of proof is on you, the defendant. It’s impossible to prove when you bought a magazine, because they have no identifying marks on them.”

More dribble at the link:

Related: Linn County sheriff says part of Oregon gun measure won’t be enforced
"Juniper", go to San Francisco. Wear some flowers in your hair. In the streets of San Francisco. Many loving people there! YEAH! RIGHT! Have daddy take you to the woodshed and get straightened out, clueless girl!
 
OPB is basically PBR/Oregon.


For many on both sides, the newly approved rules by voters feel deeply personal and will change day-to-day life​

Juniper Rook, 17, is too young to vote. But that didn’t keep her from constantly refreshing the vote totals for Measure 114, which she campaigned for in the hopes that it would keep her and her classmates safe. When the lead of the Yes on Measure 114 campaign in Bend texted her to say it passed, she cried.

“It’s just so surreal to know that Oregon is one of the states that’s taking a first big step to creating a safer place for all people,” Rook said.

The high school student, who lives in Redmond, said she and many of her friends can feel anxious about going to school because shootings have become so common. She said she started advocating for stricter gun laws when 17 students were killed at Stoneman Douglas High school in Florida. She was 12.

“I feel like even adults who aren’t parents kind of have this responsibility to keep kids my age safe,” she said. “And it really was not happening up until now. It was super disappointing.”
This week though, she’s proud of the grown-ups.

Amazement, sadness, fear, relief, a renewed faith in humanity and a dark feeling that things will keep getting worse – all of these reactions swept the state as it became clear this week that Measure 114 would pass by about two percentage points.

Thirty days after the vote is certified, the new laws requiring a permit to purchase a firearm and banning magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition will go into effect. The change will rocket Oregon from the middle of the pack to among the 10 states with the tightest gun regulations in the country. And for many on both sides, the coming changes feel deeply personal in a way that will change their daily life.

Paul Donheffner, the legislative committee chairman with the Oregon Hunters Association who had advocated against Measure 114, was disappointed. What, he wondered, would his various hunting associations use for their fundraising raffles if they couldn’t give rifles to people who may not have up-to-date purchase permits?

“It had a very appealing title, ‘reduction of gun violence act,’” he said. “If that’s all you read before you voted, then you’d say yes. I mean, who’s for gun violence? Nobody.”

Donheffner, who lives in Marion County, takes gun safety seriously, but he thinks creating a permit system that requires a course in gun safety will be expensive and unwieldy. And he doesn’t think it will do anything to cut down on the increased gun violence in Portland or to reduce mass shootings.

“It is going to put a lot of honest citizens through the wringer,” he said. “The people that are committing gun violence aren’t going to get a [permit to purchase], you’re not going to get a background check, you’re not going to go through all this rigamarole.”

As might be expected, the measure passed overwhelmingly in Multnomah County, with 74% of the vote as of Thursday evening. It was much closer in Deschutes County, a mostly rural region anchored by Bend. Voters there were nearly 50-50 for and against. With just over 100,000 votes cast, the measure was defeated by about 1,000 votes.

In rural, mountainous Wallowa County, the numbers were almost exactly reversed from Multnomah, with 73% of voters saying no thank you to tighter gun laws. More people there voted against stricter gun laws than voted for Republican candidate for governor Christine Drazan. At the same time, the new rules were more popular to Wallowans than Democratic Gov.-elect Tina Kotek, who pulled about 100 fewer votes than Measure 114 did in the Eastern Oregon county.
(emphasis is mine)
Overall, the measure would have lost in 29 of Oregon’s 36 counties. But the places where it won hold the bulk of the state’s population.

Regardless of how individual Oregonians voted, the rules laid out in Measure 114 will soon be law for all residents. But exactly what happens next is slightly unclear. A spokesperson for the Oregon State Police, the agency tasked with creating the permit to purchase system and overseeing the new background checks, said they would not be able to provide specific information about the timeline for the “rulemaking” process they will go through to work out the kinks until the election is certified by the Secretary of State.

Lack of guidance from the state law enforcement agency hasn’t prevented some county sheriffs, like Michelle Duncan in Linn County and Brad Lohrey in Sherman County, from saying they won’t enforce the ban on high capacity magazines. It’s unclear exactly what that means, since sheriffs aren’t legally allowed to contravene state law.

Some in the leftist community are less worried about sheriffs not enforcing the law than about them having too much power over who gets a permit. And that’s just one detail of the law that has gun owners worried.

For example, anyone who currently owns larger capacity magazines or guns that carry more bullets are allowed to keep them under the new rules, but many worry they will have a hard time proving a purchase date.

“It is impossible to prove when you actually acquired [a magazine],” said Kevin Starrett, the leader of the No on Measure 114 campaign in an August interview. “The burden of proof is on you, the defendant. It’s impossible to prove when you bought a magazine, because they have no identifying marks on them.”

More dribble at the link:

Related: Linn County sheriff says part of Oregon gun measure won’t be enforced

What a surprise that an Oregon kid named Juniper is a anti gun activist...

Shocked, I tell you. Just shocked.
 
Why are we hearing about this now???

This apparently has been in the works for months.
Because you apparently aren't a member of northwestfirearms.com . You Yankees are so parochial.

Born, raised, and spent most of my life in the Pacific Northwest. East Coast a**h***s establish legal precedents where the pickins are easy--Three Turtle Dam MUST be removed (all six boulders), mutant Spotted Owls MUST be protected--then go on to use that new "case law" to attack bigger prey. Doesn't help that Oregon and Washington have been Californicated for the past 50 years. Hahaha--several years ago the west-side urban pussies decided that leghold traps commonly used for coyotes in eastern Washington were cruel, so they put forth a ballot measure which passed (of course), prohibiting such traps. The way it was worded, however, also banned common mousetraps throughout the entire state. Hahahaha! Didn't take those morons long to correct that overreach.

You can thank the 19th Amendment.
 
Because you apparently aren't a member of northwestfirearms.com . You Yankees are so parochial.

Born, raised, and spent most of my life in the Pacific Northwest. East Coast a**h***s establish legal precedents where the pickins are easy--Three Turtle Dam MUST be removed (all six boulders), mutant Spotted Owls MUST be protected--then go on to use that new "case law" to attack bigger prey. Doesn't help that Oregon and Washington have been Californicated for the past 50 years. Hahaha--several years ago the west-side urban pussies decided that leghold traps commonly used for coyotes in eastern Washington were cruel, so they put forth a ballot measure which passed (of course), prohibiting such traps. The way it was worded, however, also banned common mousetraps throughout the entire state. Hahahaha! Didn't take those morons long to correct that overreach.

You can thank the 19th Amendment.
I was born in Lebanon, OR, lived there until 89 and then MA for a few years, back to OR for a year then back to MA for the rest.

Oregon has a shit show of politics. You have folks like my grandfather who believe the measure of a human is if you are kind and good, will you move a turtle out of the road or help a stranger change a tire? That makes you good. Will you take only ethical shots on game animals? That makes you a good person.

Much of Oregon (and the rest of the freaking country at this point) does not define reality this way any longer.

We are all diminished for it.
 
I was born in Lebanon, OR, lived there until 89 and then MA for a few years, back to OR for a year then back to MA for the rest.

Oregon has a shit show of politics. You have folks like my grandfather who believe the measure of a human is if you are kind and good, will you move a turtle out of the road or help a stranger change a tire? That makes you good. Will you take only ethical shots on game animals? That makes you a good person.

Much of Oregon (and the rest of the freaking country at this point) does not define reality this way any longer.

We are all diminished for it.
Sheriff Michelle Duncan stated that she would not enforce the new Oregon gun law and the clueless wonders that cheerleaded for it are unsure of what that means? Well, very simply, it means that Sheriff Duncan will order her deputies not to make arrests for possession of magazines that hold over 10 rounds. She might be in the tiny minority of LE officials in that shit state, but she is definitely doing the right thing.
 

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I got an email over the weekend about a .22LR Walther PPK/S I had up on Armslist that read like this: "Do you have 2 of these in stock that can be shipped to my ffl? Time matters because we have a new gun bill going into effect dec 8".

Soon as I saw that, I knew he was from Oregon. He says trying to cancel an order with Bud's since apparently I can ship faster than Bud's Gun Shop can. [rofl]
[rofl]

(We'll see... I don't take down my ads until AFTER I run the credit card. He could still ghost me.)
 
Found this and queued up Paul Harrell's take on Measure 114...
Sounds like political "MassThink" is spreading... 🤔 [rolleyes]
 

State judge places hold on Oregon's gun law, state to appeal​


 
... and let us not forget new batshit crazy AG Cambell's want list. :mad:
Wow…that’s quite the list. 80% are laws suits waiting to happen or won’t gain traction, the other 20 is just more restriction on legal gun owners, but all is pure sheep fodder. See you next Tuesday is all I can add.
 
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