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STOP ERPO TODAY!!! - Light Up The State House Phones!
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Apparently, 'we' can't see the forest through the trees - GOAL should have been helping to DRAFT this legislation, crafting it as the National model for Due Process....instead, it tried to block a locomotive with a hockey-stick. Is anyone surprised? I'm not.
NOW - we're "stuck" with this legislation, playing a losing-game of defense. For many of you, it's the only game you know - in your world, "prohibited people" don't exist so why bother identifying them, and getting them out of the firearms gene-pool? Oh, wait...you're WRONG. Not getting in-front of these issues is why MA Legislature is steam-rolling ahead. You either lead, follow....or move to NH.
NOW - we're "stuck" with this legislation, playing a losing-game of defense. For many of you, it's the only game you know - in your world, "prohibited people" don't exist so why bother identifying them, and getting them out of the firearms gene-pool? Oh, wait...you're WRONG. Not getting in-front of these issues is why MA Legislature is steam-rolling ahead. You either lead, follow....or move to NH.
oldguy68
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We can't even get people that have firearms licenses to get involved in this state.
But we think a politician is even going to consider listening to our side on what's being voted on?![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
Sorry, to say but in Libertusetts we have so few compromises that might even benefits firearm owners.
Losing another piece of legislation never surprises me anymore.
It's like shoveling sh_t against the tide. Till you realize your always neck deep anyways..
Oh well, such is the life of the oppressed!![[cheers]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/018.gif "Cheers [cheers]")
You actually thought our politicians were going to commit political suicide by voting against this....Now that is funny!
But we think a politician is even going to consider listening to our side on what's being voted on?
Sorry, to say but in Libertusetts we have so few compromises that might even benefits firearm owners.
Losing another piece of legislation never surprises me anymore.
It's like shoveling sh_t against the tide. Till you realize your always neck deep anyways..
Oh well, such is the life of the oppressed!
You actually thought our politicians were going to commit political suicide by voting against this....Now that is funny!
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I've been saying this for a while. We had a small handful of chiefs come out and say school teachers should be able to carry. This should have gotten turned into some of those "town hall conversations", with our side leading the charge.
Just emailed Frost and Ferguson. Surprised they are not already on there, or maybe they are protesting GOAL. Same with Gobi.
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Frost just responded that he signed on "a while ago". Either I missed it, or it just got added.
GOAL, please update your letter with the latest signatures.
GOAL, you also should update your page. The last date is 4/17/18. I want to send the alert out to my club's newsletter subscribers (1000+), but it doesn't mention the McKenna info, which is the latest development. I'm not about to send out stale info with a side note attempting to explain.
You need to be clear, current, and succinct!
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Frost just responded that he signed on "a while ago". Either I missed it, or it just got added.
GOAL, please update your letter with the latest signatures.
GOAL, you also should update your page. The last date is 4/17/18. I want to send the alert out to my club's newsletter subscribers (1000+), but it doesn't mention the McKenna info, which is the latest development. I'm not about to send out stale info with a side note attempting to explain.
You need to be clear, current, and succinct!
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Mike S
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Micheal, this legislation was crafted by a Bloomberg backed group out of Seattle and has been filed in numerous states by the most progressive anti 2A legislators in each state.
So, go ahead, take your usual cheap shot at GOAL, but at least get your facts straight.
Now that I'm looking around, I didn't see the McKenna Amendment here on NES, either. The only place I've seen it was in an email from GOAL. This should be ALL OVER THE PLACE on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, GOAL'S WEBSITE, and even NES.
I asked if I can send this out to the club membership, and was told to wait and see what the MSC says. GOAL, have you been communicating with them? This is the parent body to all the county leagues, and more.
GOAL Alert - McKenna's Reasoned ERPO Alternative Needs Support
Thank you to the members of MA House who have signed onto Rep. Joe McKenna's letter to the MA House Ways & Means Committee regarding Extreme Risk Protection Order (ERPO) Legislation.
Today, please take a look at, Rep. McKenna's letter. If your MA State Representative has not signed on in support, please contact them immediately and urge them to do so.
Please click here for more information on why ERPO - "Red Flag" legislation is cruel and dangerous, and wrong for Massachusetts.
You can look up your state representative's phone number by clicking the green button below.
Look Up My State Representative Phone Number
Gun Owners' Action League
361 W. Main St.
Northborough, MA. 01532
I asked if I can send this out to the club membership, and was told to wait and see what the MSC says. GOAL, have you been communicating with them? This is the parent body to all the county leagues, and more.
I don't understand why this is necessary. We have Section 12s already, and chiefs can argue suitability at a snap of the fingers. Not saying those are good concepts only that this seems redundant.
Mike S
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Because gun
This is the first image you see upon landing on GOAL's website:
If you click on the image, this is where it takes you. GOAL's ERPO Information Page - Legislators Cruel & Dangerous Proposal
There's no reason not to send the info out on your clubs email. Just do it.
Thanks. I did not see that yesterday.
There is a LOT there to read, and the huge headlines take away from the meat of the discussion. People will not know to click to get the detail on what to do. Sorry, but you've gotta spell things out if you want an action item.
Looking at it, this was not even the page from GOAL's website I saw yesterday. The one yesterday had 4/17/18 as the last update. Where did that page go? People want to know the latest status and what to do about it.
There is a LOT there to read, and the huge headlines take away from the meat of the discussion. People will not know to click to get the detail on what to do. Sorry, but you've gotta spell things out if you want an action item.
Looking at it, this was not even the page from GOAL's website I saw yesterday. The one yesterday had 4/17/18 as the last update. Where did that page go? People want to know the latest status and what to do about it.
Horrible
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So, articulate the basic talking points out here on this site so that we can all use them when calling and get the word out.
For example, I am of the understanding that anyone can get an EPRO isued with this legislation. The RI law only allows LEOs to issue
Mike S
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You were probably looking at a page saved in your cache. That image and the link to the content has been up there for weeks.
Also, GOAL has put out more than a few podcasts on this, as well as many, many social media posts about what to do/say, etc.
I would encourage you to follow them on Facebook/Twitter, if you don't already.
No, I clear the cache pretty often. I think I even cleared it purposely, to see if any updates. I followed GOAL on Instagram, but it seems "off" now. I'm not sure what happened there. I do follow them on Twitter, but only check Twitter maybe every week or so. I don't do Facebook.
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"For example, I am of the understanding that anyone can get an EPRO isued with this legislation."
Is this true, and if so are there any consequences to someone falsely initiating an erpo out of spite? (angry girlfriend, neighbor, co-worker, etc)
Is this true, and if so are there any consequences to someone falsely initiating an erpo out of spite? (angry girlfriend, neighbor, co-worker, etc)
boscru
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that is exactly the intent as i read this POS legislation. it's what libs do. circumvent any and all due process laws to achieve their ultimate goal. total control over the populace. sound familiar??? yup. nazism , socialism, communisim. call it whatever. they know what their doing
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Found this in the text of h.3610
"Section 131T. (a) A petition for an extreme risk protection order may be filed by a family or household member of the respondent or a law enforcement officer or agency having jurisdiction over the respondent’s residence, on a form approved pursuant to section 131S, in the superior, district or the Boston municipal court department having jurisdiction over the respondent’s residence."
Family or household member is pretty broad though it seems to me
"“Family or household member”, a person who:
(a) is or was married to the respondent;
(b) is or was residing with the respondent in the same household;
(c) is or was related by blood or marriage to the respondent;
(d) has or is having a child in common with the respondent, regardless of whether they have ever married or lived together; or
(e) is or has been in a substantive dating or engagement relationship with the respondent, which shall be adjudged by district or Boston municipal courts consideration of the following factors: (1) the length of time of the relationship; (2) the type of relationship; (3) the frequency of interaction between the parties; and (4) if the relationship has been terminated by either person, the length of time elapsed since the termination of the relationship."
Just about the only silver lining in this mess is it doesnt seem to allow, for now, some random person who somehow knows you own guns to throw your life into a tailspin.
"Section 131AA. (a) Any person who files a petition for an extreme risk protection order, knowing the information in the petition to be materially false or with intent to harass the respondent, shall be punished by a fine of no more than $5,000 or by imprisonment for no more than 3 years in the house of corrections."
"Section 131T. (a) A petition for an extreme risk protection order may be filed by a family or household member of the respondent or a law enforcement officer or agency having jurisdiction over the respondent’s residence, on a form approved pursuant to section 131S, in the superior, district or the Boston municipal court department having jurisdiction over the respondent’s residence."
Family or household member is pretty broad though it seems to me
"“Family or household member”, a person who:
(a) is or was married to the respondent;
(b) is or was residing with the respondent in the same household;
(c) is or was related by blood or marriage to the respondent;
(d) has or is having a child in common with the respondent, regardless of whether they have ever married or lived together; or
(e) is or has been in a substantive dating or engagement relationship with the respondent, which shall be adjudged by district or Boston municipal courts consideration of the following factors: (1) the length of time of the relationship; (2) the type of relationship; (3) the frequency of interaction between the parties; and (4) if the relationship has been terminated by either person, the length of time elapsed since the termination of the relationship."
Just about the only silver lining in this mess is it doesnt seem to allow, for now, some random person who somehow knows you own guns to throw your life into a tailspin.
"Section 131AA. (a) Any person who files a petition for an extreme risk protection order, knowing the information in the petition to be materially false or with intent to harass the respondent, shall be punished by a fine of no more than $5,000 or by imprisonment for no more than 3 years in the house of corrections."
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Mike S
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The GOAL instagram account was hacked. I've made numerous requests to Instagram for help and they have all been ignored. Whoever hacked it seems content on keeping GOAL from posting on it, they haven't posted anything. It happened shortly after the Parkland atrocity.
Then you need to just tell everyone via other means, start a new account, publicize the new account, and move on. Right now, it is dead in its own tracks.
So, is there a one or two sentence description of the problem and action to take on this? This is what is needed, a clear definition and solution.
Rockrivr1
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I find it sad that people are attacking GOAL as if they are to blame for this mess of a law. When things are calm people don't renew with GOAL and their membership, and funding, goes down. They can only work within the means we gun owners give them. Then when the SHTF it's somehow their fault? I don't get that. Jim, Mike and the rest of the GOAL crew are saints in my book as they get attacked by both side that includes the people they are fighting for. What a thankless job they have trying to keep your rights in place.
Also, look who they are up against. Bloomberg's ilk and their million dollar funding and liberal influence. GOAL doesn't have 1/1000th of that kind of funding, but still puts up a fight. Time to stop blaming GOAL and start taking a hard look at ourselves for letting GOAL down in these critical times. Also, anyone who isn't a GOAL member and is criticizing them, you can STFU as you are part of the problem.
Also, look who they are up against. Bloomberg's ilk and their million dollar funding and liberal influence. GOAL doesn't have 1/1000th of that kind of funding, but still puts up a fight. Time to stop blaming GOAL and start taking a hard look at ourselves for letting GOAL down in these critical times. Also, anyone who isn't a GOAL member and is criticizing them, you can STFU as you are part of the problem.
It doesn't matter who initially crafted the legislation - this stuff doesn't move through the halls of Govt. in a vacuum or secret back-room. It's a Living Document until it is voted into law - instead of getting involved, and participating in the process to shape the legislation, the SOP dictated that it be 'blocked' entirely.
How well did that work? Not a good tactic. ERPO WAS GOING TO HAPPEN - there's 'common sense' behind it, there's populist support behind it, and there was emotional groundswell in the Statehouse behind it. It doesn't play well to the notion that 'nobody' is a Prohibited Person, so obviously everyone is flat-footed on this? Who was in the committee that moved this Bill forward, and did anyone meet with anyone to discuss the contents of the legislation? Yea, I didn't think so.
You either get creative in getting guns OUT of the hands of people like Nikolas Cruz and Seung-Hui Cho, and empower LEOs to make that happen effectively, or the next step will be a NATIONWIDE AWB/mag BAN. If Legislation doesn't happen to get PP individuals identified and flagged correctly, the next logical step for the Antis is to remove firearms access for everyone - Society says there's a problem, and it will be legislated to "solution" eventually. As a minority, you can't afford to pretend that the problem isn't "there" - you will lose. That is the new reality in the Gun Debate - do you want to steer the ship, or get dragged behind it? Your decision.
Someone doesn't understand how MA legislature works.
Tell that to Vermont's gun owners. Not only is shitberg pushing legislation, his aides are also giving moonbats some tips on how to ram it through to avoid public exposure of the
legislation for anything more than a short window of time.
Sorry but this is pure bullshit. There isn't anyone writing letters to legislators demanding this other than the anti shills about ERPO. ERPO is a pure shitberg production through and through. There is no real groundswell of support for ERPO anywhere, that whole idea is a shitberg phantasm to push incrementalist policy against gun ownership as a generality.
Not sure what you mean by this, but this just sounds like spew.
LMAO... you really think that GOAL or anyone else would have been given an opportunity to meet with the moonbats/cronies in MA leg. to discuss this? That's laughable, on its
face. This bill didn't even go to a public hearing (at least, that I can recall) it has so far more or less just been rammed through.
There's already like at least 3-4 ways under MGL to take guns from people at the drop of a hat. Most of them involve NO or barely ANY due process. Not sure why you think we would need ERPO when one phone call from "concerned citizen mary hairnet" to a police chief is probably enough to cause a license suspension in MA, without due process. Chiefs in MA are already fully empowered to take someones LTC and guns away for
pretty much any reason they can invent on the fly. And even if their reason is pure shit, the courts will usually back them up on it regardless if it comes down to that.
So all ERPO really does in MA is amount to being a grandstanding tool for anti gun moonbats and anti gun politicians.
No, anti gun douchebags say there is a problem, but its all bullshit- this problem you speak of, is largely statistical noise. (at least compared to actual acts of violence involving firearms in the US).
Yeah, but maintaining the BOLD FACED LIE about this being "some kind of a problem" doesn't help anyone.
-Mike
If you do actually own any guns ( Not likely) , turn them in .
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