Stats on murders with AR15s in 2015

[thormx538]

(Is it kosher to link to ARF? If not, sorry, and delete)

Mark LaRue of LaRue Tactical posted an interesting thread over on ARF last night.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1859995_Total_murders_attributed_to_AR15_rifles_2015.html

Interesting but not surprising to see that the media reports twice as many deaths due to AR's than there really are (39, vs 78 reported)

If we remove islamic terrorists from the equation, ARs are about as deadly as lightning and elevators, one third as deadly as lawnmowers.

 

[warwickben]

Falling off ladders kills more

 

[MAD Geary]

I didn't see liberalism on there, something must be wrong with the data.

 

[robjax]

legislation against AR's is just feel good crap that doesn't do a darn thing.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Car accidents/DUI kill more. Doctors kill more.

 

[Mike S]

You guys have to remember, the antis don't care that the crime rate by "assault weapon" is almost non-existent.

You can argue this with them until you are blue in the face, they will always fall back on "because Newtown".

Because it happened once, we should all be considered criminals and have no due process regarding the extermination of our 2A rights.

 

[MAJoe]

I see one of the deaths says "accident, gun fell over". Ouch. That SUCKS

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Falling off ladders kills more

One of the officers at my local club earned himself a handicapped parking permit for life due to a falling ladder. None of the club members has special parking because of gunshots.

 

[thormx538]

You guys have to remember, the antis don't care that the crime rate by "assault weapon" is almost non-existent.

You can argue this with them until you are blue in the face, they will always fall back on "because Newtown".

Because it happened once, we should all be considered criminals and have no due process regarding the extermination of our 2A rights.

Totally. Feels > realz.

 

[just jim]

Are they adding in murders like Lavoy Finnicum?

 

[HiCap]

Those parade floats will get you!!

 

[durask]

You guys have to remember, the antis don't care that the crime rate by "assault weapon" is almost non-existent.

You can argue this with them until you are blue in the face, they will always fall back on "because Newtown".

Because it happened once, we should all be considered criminals and have no due process regarding the extermination of our 2A rights.

That's what the dumb ones think.
The smart ones know that once they ban "assault rifles" then the next step will be to ban ALL semi-autos.

 

[92G]

We do not center the argument for 2A rights around whether a particular firearm is prevalent in crimes.

Free speech harms many people, but we don't question it. Many criminals go unscathed due to the 5th amendment, but we don't question it (well most of us don't).

The same is true with rights to self defense. whether harms are committed with a particular tool is irrelevant to an inalienable right.

 

[thormx538]

Are they adding in murders like Lavoy Finnicum?

Nah, people wasted by LEO ARs are not part of the 39

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We do not center the argument for 2A rights around whether a particular firearm is prevalent in crimes.

We don't, but the socialists do. That is THE argument they use. These statistics can be used to counter that common talking point by the left in debate.

 

[garandman]

What is the source data for this chart?

 

[92G]

We don't, but the socialists do. That is THE argument they use. These statistics can be used to counter that common talking point by the left in debate.

if the protectionists listened to the statistics, they wouldn't be protectionists anymore. they don't listen.

 

[JClark]

Ladders kill more people than ARs do.
-Anti-Gun Logic: but if we ban ARs there will be NO deaths from them.
So why don't we ban ladders too?
-Anti-Gun Logic: because we need ladders and they serve a purpose.
So do AR's - hunting, sporting, home defense
-Anti-Gun Logic: you don't need an AR to do any of those things, they can all be accomplished with something else (bow, shotgun).
You can accomplish almost anything you want to, in multiple ways with different tools. Point is that they are tools and it is up to you to use it correctly whether it is a ladder or an AR.
-Anti-Gun Logic: but if we ban ARs there will be NO deaths from them.
......

can't tell you how many times i've had this cyclical conversation. when you are willing to ignore personal responsibility, it becomes strikingly clear that guns are the problem.


when it boils down to it, stats don't mean crap.
someone who is firmly anti-gun and has no interest in owning or using a firearm as a civilian doesn't see any redeeming qualities in private ownership of firearms. If it saves one life, then it is worth it to get rid of something that has no redeeming qualities.

Some people can have their minds changed and some can't. I suggest taking the first type of person to the range, and avoiding the second type of person whenever possible.

 

[thormx538]

if the protectionists listened to the statistics, they wouldn't be protectionists anymore. they don't listen.

If they listened, we wouldn't have to argue with them either

Whether the left chooses Hitlery or Commie Bernie, that talking point will undoubtedly come up in a debate. Countering ridiculous claims by the left with statistics wont win over the hardcore lefties, but there is a large portion of the country that is apathetic and ill-informed -- I'd rather expose them to the stats than to just say "yeah that's not true" and leave it at that when the left brings it up.

 

[teaser452]

Ladders kill more people than ARs do.
-Anti-Gun Logic: but if we ban ARs there will be NO deaths from them.
So why don't we ban ladders too?
-Anti-Gun Logic: because we need ladders and they serve a purpose.
So do AR's - hunting, sporting, home defense
-Anti-Gun Logic: you don't need an AR to do any of those things, they can all be accomplished with something else (bow, shotgun).
You can accomplish almost anything you want to, in multiple ways with different tools. Point is that they are tools and it is up to you to use it correctly whether it is a ladder or an AR.
-Anti-Gun Logic: but if we ban ARs there will be NO deaths from them.
......

can't tell you how many times i've had this cyclical conversation. when you are willing to ignore personal responsibility, it becomes strikingly clear that guns are the problem.


when it boils down to it, stats don't mean crap.
someone who is firmly anti-gun and has no interest in owning or using a firearm as a civilian doesn't see any redeeming qualities in private ownership of firearms. If it saves one life, then it is worth it to get rid of something that has no redeeming qualities.

Some people can have their minds changed and some can't. I suggest taking the first type of person to the range, and avoiding the second type of person whenever possible.

ladders suck. Scaffolding. That's where it's at! Although comparing ladders to scaffolding is like comparing a bolt action rifle to a full auto AR.

 

[hminsky]

There's almost 1/3 of a billion people in the US. It's unreal that politicians and anti-gun zealots get so much mileage out of saying scary "assault assault assault" when there are such a tiny number of incidents with them compared with the population.

There's probably a hundred times as many people killed from infectious disease by people not washing their hands after using the bathroom.

 

[Dadstoys]

That's what the dumb ones think.
The smart ones know that once they ban "assault rifles" then the next step will be to ban ALL semi-autos.

The playbook to the letter of how it was done in England.
Then bolt action rifles because "Sniper"
Then pump actions because , "Well f*ck it we've gone this far."
It's like a magic trick once everyone knows how it's done, you can do it but don't expect the crowd to be dazzled.

 

[Fixxah]

Take away the nails and the hammer is useless.

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

so bees killed more people than AR-15s in 2015, BUT BUT, they are super killy looking assault rifles that fire 600 mini nukes a second

 

[thormx538]

so bees killed more people than AR-15s in 2015, BUT BUT, they are super killy looking assault rifles that fire 600 mini nukes a second

With barrel shrouds, which are in fact the shoulder things that go up.

 

[wahsben]

Actually even if we were to ban AR's there would still be deaths from them because tyrants, criminals and madmen don't abide by bans. In fact deaths would probably go up by most if not all means because there would be so many disarmed sitting ducks available to slaughter.

Ladders kill more people than ARs do.
-Anti-Gun Logic: but if we ban ARs there will be NO deaths from them.
So why don't we ban ladders too?
-Anti-Gun Logic: because we need ladders and they serve a purpose.
So do AR's - hunting, sporting, home defense
-Anti-Gun Logic: you don't need an AR to do any of those things, they can all be accomplished with something else (bow, shotgun).
You can accomplish almost anything you want to, in multiple ways with different tools. Point is that they are tools and it is up to you to use it correctly whether it is a ladder or an AR.
-Anti-Gun Logic: but if we ban ARs there will be NO deaths from them.
......

can't tell you how many times i've had this cyclical conversation. when you are willing to ignore personal responsibility, it becomes strikingly clear that guns are the problem.


when it boils down to it, stats don't mean crap.
someone who is firmly anti-gun and has no interest in owning or using a firearm as a civilian doesn't see any redeeming qualities in private ownership of firearms. If it saves one life, then it is worth it to get rid of something that has no redeeming qualities.

Some people can have their minds changed and some can't. I suggest taking the first type of person to the range, and avoiding the second type of person whenever possible.

 

[durask]

The playbook to the letter of how it was done in England.
Then bolt action rifles because "Sniper"
Then pump actions because , "Well f*ck it we've gone this far."
It's like a magic trick once everyone knows how it's done, you can do it but don't expect the crowd to be dazzled.

Antis will not stop until they've banned everything (see airsoft registration in Scotland). They also really hate the concept of self defense.

 

[durask]

Actually even if we were to ban AR's there would still be deaths from them because tyrants, criminals and madmen don't abide by bans. In fact deaths would probably go up by most if not all means because there would be so many disarmed sitting ducks available to slaughter.

Well, that will be easy to deal with, just have the liberal media suppress any crime related news.

 

[garandman]

I'd like to use the chart posted above, but he didn't say where the data came from?

 

[Jim85IROC]

ok, did I miss the part that said it was 39 deaths? The part I read seemed to indicate that in 2013, it was 4. Granted I can't see any pics that may have been posted because of my employer's firewall, but that's what I gleaned from the text. What did I miss?

 

[Archilochus]

What is the source data for this chart?

From the ar15com link in the OP....

A non-profit organization calling itself “Gun Violence Archive” (GVA) formed in 2013 to answer the question of who is being killed, under what circumstances, and with what firearms. It searches news sources nationwide and compiles media reports of firearms related deaths and injuries. The group undoubtedly opposes gun ownership.