Stabbing at mci Shirley

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Just heard from my bil who is a correctional officer that 6 guards got stabbed earlier today and one is In Critical condition.
 
I didn't think Shirley was the real bad ones, I thought those were in Walpole and Norfolk (my brother bounces between the two).

Lock up a thousand humans and keep the shit from hitting the fan, then tell me Shirley doesn't have the "real bad ones"
 
Dude probably has nothing to lose anyways. Must be awesome working with animals who know they will never see freedom again.

What I seem to fail to understand is why animals (drug convicts don't count, sorry) are treated with any humanity.

Those who have stooped to a life of rape, murder, unadulterated aggression towards their fellow Man, have no longer been deemed acceptable as "humans". Hand them off to Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, etc, for lab rat trials. Replace cadavers for living humans for real life testing.

AFAIC, their life is forfeit, why waste the money on BS "rehabilitation"? So the liberal cupcakes can feel good about themselves?
 
I didn't think Shirley was the real bad ones, I thought those were in Walpole and Norfolk (my brother bounces between the two).

The Souza-Baranowski Maximum section is one of 2 top level supermax in the state, yeah, the really bad ones are in there too...
 
This just made the 10 o'clock news. Fox is reporting 7 guards injured, one stabbed to the back of the neck and was in surgery.
 
MCI Shirley is EFF'd up and has been for a long time. Years ago when I lived in Ayer, I'd hear calls on the scanner of shit going down in that place. It was almost always in lock down. Every time the lock down would get lifted, it would be right back into it again within a day. Effin animals. [hmmm]
 
What I seem to fail to understand is why animals (drug convicts don't count, sorry) are treated with any humanity.

Those who have stooped to a life of rape, murder, unadulterated aggression towards their fellow Man, have no longer been deemed acceptable as "humans". Hand them off to Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, etc, for lab rat trials. Replace cadavers for living humans for real life testing.

AFAIC, their life is forfeit, why waste the money on BS "rehabilitation"? So the liberal cupcakes can feel good about themselves?


That whole constitution thing. There are many out there who disagree with you about drug convicts not counting. Many would say they're just as bad. So do they get used for testing too? What about the small amounts of people that get found innocent years down the road after being incarcerated? Do we sacrifice them to make sure the real guilty ones have a horrible existence for the rest of their time on earth? I'm no bleeding heart, but there are reasons we don't treat them as sub human.


Best wishes to the Officers, this truly sucks.
 
What I seem to fail to understand is why animals (drug convicts don't count, sorry) are treated with any humanity.

Those who have stooped to a life of rape, murder, unadulterated aggression towards their fellow Man, have no longer been deemed acceptable as "humans". Hand them off to Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, etc, for lab rat trials. Replace cadavers for living humans for real life testing.

AFAIC, their life is forfeit, why waste the money on BS "rehabilitation"? So the liberal cupcakes can feel good about themselves?

If they're no longer deemed "humans" due to indusputable proof of their heinous crimes, just kill them and save taxpayers the storage money. Subjecting them to testing that they didn't volunteer for or agree to is a disgusting thought and depressing to think that someone would think it's okay.
 
Souza-Baranowski is a hot mess right now. It has been since the state decided to double bunk maximum security inmates. Most of the of the states max-security inmates served their time there.

MCI-CJ (Wapole) is the reception center. They do still house max-security inmates but in 10-Block and DDU.

I texted my buddy who is a big union guy last night. He said that the CO who got stabbed was assaulted 6 months ago and got a concussion. When he was stabbed yesterday the shank was still in his neck on the way to the hospital.

I am no longer a CO but I still have friends who I keep in contact with. I wish them a speedy recovery.
 
What I seem to fail to understand is why animals (drug convicts don't count, sorry) are treated with any humanity.

Those who have stooped to a life of rape, murder, unadulterated aggression towards their fellow Man, have no longer been deemed acceptable as "humans". Hand them off to Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, etc, for lab rat trials. Replace cadavers for living humans for real life testing.

AFAIC, their life is forfeit, why waste the money on BS "rehabilitation"? So the liberal cupcakes can feel good about themselves?

Well first of all there is that pesky Eighth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. It says something about a prohibition to cruel and unusual punishment. You may recall that document because so many of the Sons of Liberty on this forum are always talking about it. Now they mainly bring up the First and especially the Second Amendments, but the thing of it is, these Sons of Liberty are always telling us that the Constitution means what it means and the Founding Fathers were the Greatest Men on God's Earth with the possible exception of Jesus Christ himself.

Now this is what bothers me when I read something like this Joe. Now I know your heart is in the right place and all of that, but when I read something like that and then mention that pesky 8th Amendment, there are always some Son or Sons of Liberty who immediately write back and say "Oh, that's different... failing realize, of course, that some other Sons of Liberty (mainly liberals, socialists and fellow-travelers) will say the same thing about that pesky Second Amendment. Seems to me that ya can't have it both ways.

Now for the punishments themselves, there were several governments of the 20th Century that did exactly what you propose. We can't mention their names esp one because some A**hats around here like to quote some British dude name Godwyn, forgetting of course the American writer George Santayana who wrote something about history tending to repeat itself if we don't learn from it. (I think a lot of these Godwynites as I call them, are products of our "progressive education system"...it seems to me that there are a lot of folks in our education system who would like to make us forget about the Nazi's....hmm, I wonder why?)

Here is the problem: who decides who gets vivisected and who doesn't? For the Japanese at Unit 731 it was real easy, any POW or Chinese.

Another angle, how comfortable are you giving away prisoners of the state to the private sector for disposal? What happens some month when Pfizer comes to the .gov and says "We need 200 more prisoners this month for experimentation, you know the contract...and what .gov bureaucrat is going to see to it that 200 more are delivered, regardless of status. New charges can be manufactured to ensure that these prisoners meet the requirements for medical execution.

Oh, have we really opened the door. [wink]
 
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Well first of all there is that pesky Eighth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. It says something about a prohibition to cruel and unusual punishment. You may recall that document because so many of the Sons of Liberty on this forum are always talking about it. Now they mainly bring up the First and especially the Second Amendments, but the thing of it is, these Sons of Liberty are always telling us that the Constitution means what it means and the Founding Fathers were the Greatest Men on God's Earth with the possible exception of Jesus Christ himself.

Now this is what bothers me when I read something like this Joe. Now I know your heart is in the right place and all of that, but hen I read something like that and then mention that pesky 8th Amendment, there are always some Son or Sons of Liberty who immediately write back and say "Oh, that's different... failing realize, of course, that some other Sons of Liberty will say the same thing about that pesky Second Amendment. Seems to me that ya can't have it both ways.

Now for the punishments themselves, there were several governments of the 20th Century that did exactly what you propose. We can't mention their names esp one because some A**hats around here like to quote some British dude name Godwyn, forgetting of course the American writer George Santayana who wrote something about history tending to repeat itself if we don't learn from it. (I think a lot of these Godwynites as I call them, are products of our "progressive education system"...it seems to me that there are a lot of folks in education who would like to make us forget about the Nazi's....hmm, I wonder why?)

Here is the problem: who decides who gets vivisected and who doesn't? For the Japanese at Unit 731 it was real easy, any POW or Chinese.

Another angle, how comfortable are you giving away prisoners of the state to the private sector for disposal? What happens some month when Pfizer comes to the .gov and says "We need 200 more prisoners this month for experimentation, you know the contract...and what .gov bureaucrat is going to see to it that 200 more are delivered, regardless of status. New charges can be manufactured to ensure that these prisoners meet the requirements for medical execution.

Oh, have we really opened the door. [wink]

That pesky thing called the Constitution shouldn't be a tool used to protect criminals, you violate the rights of someone else, yours are forfeit.. instead of test subjects i'd setup automated torture in a dark cell by themselves away from humanity, till these scumbags are legitimately sorry. Then there life would end. of course you'd need a non corrupt system for justice in the first place
 
That pesky thing called the Constitution shouldn't be a tool used to protect criminals, you violate the rights of someone else, yours are forfeit.. instead of test subjects i'd setup automated torture in a dark cell by themselves away from humanity, till these scumbags are legitimately sorry. Then there life would end. of course you'd need a non corrupt system for justice in the first place

well, now i am confused again. How does the 8th apply to law abiding citizens? the language is simple,
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
I don't see how it could apply to anybody except criminals. Suggesting torture on anybody is ****ed, IMO. and seeing the direction of law enforcement, I am glad that there is some protection in place, for when one of "us" is locked away.
 
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That pesky thing called the Constitution shouldn't be a tool used to protect criminals, you violate the rights of someone else, yours are forfeit.. instead of test subjects i'd setup automated torture in a dark cell by themselves away from humanity, till these scumbags are legitimately sorry. Then there life would end. of course you'd need a non corrupt system for justice in the first place

Yeah like those a**h*** (future Olympians) criminals that dare to transport their firearms across state lines and fly out of NY.

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well, now i am confused again. How does the 8th apply to law abiding citizens? the language is simple, I don't see how it could apply to anybody except criminals.

Beat me to it.

My father in law works for the DOC. I never miss an oppurtunity to thank him for what a thankless job he has. His response is always, "At least I know who the bad guys are." Still not enough of a benefit for me to ever take that job. Hope those guys get well soon.

FYI -- SBCC is not MCI Shirley. They're two separate facilities that share a single campus. Kinda like the Bridgewater State Hospital and the State Prison in the same complex.
 
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