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Squib Load at the Range Today

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cross-X, Nov 26, 2005.

  1. Cross-X

    Cross-X Shooting at the big range in heaven Dealer NES Member

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    From the pages of glocktalk.com:

    Squib load at the range today

    Was shooting the Colt 1911 for a while but I think it needs some breaking in. Many times the slide would not go into battery. I suspect either rough edges on the feed ramp or (more likely) rough corners on the barrel lugs and slide lugs. I believe these rough corners are preventing the barrel from locking into the slide properly.

    That is a side issue.

    I was shooting the Springfield 1911 and instead of a bang, I got a "click".

    What I SHOULD have done was stop shooting right away, remove the magazine, clear the round and inspect the barrel.

    Instead, I thought it was a bad primer, so I racked the slide, saw "somethign" eject, let the next round go forward and prepared to fire*.

    But the slide had not returned to battery. I frowned because this is what the Colt was doing. I started wondering WTF was up with my loads and I racked the slide, ejecting THAT round, and let the slide strip the next round into the chamber. I prepared to fire.

    But the slide had not returned to battery.

    Okay. What is going on here? I looked down into the ejection port as I racked that round OUT, and watched the next round try to chamber. It was not going all the way in. I tried to peer into the rear of the barrel looking for light ( this is an outdoor range, Markham Park FL ) and there was nothing in the barrel but darkneess.

    I called the RO over and tole him what I thought: I think I have a squib in the barrel, I would like to disassemble this pistol. He gave me the go-ahead to go over to another bench (they are very strict at Markham, and you have to ask permission before you can do anything there).

    I stripped the 1911 and sure enough, the barrel was plugged near the rear. I realized that if the round had travelled about a quarter inch further into the barrel, I would have been able to chamber the next round and would have shot it.

    We got a rod and a hammer and easily pounded the jacketed round back out the back. There was no powder burn around the rear of that round, I strongly believe it was a primer-only round, not a low primer round. This batch was made with my Lee before I got my Dillon.

    After that, the 1911 shot fine after being reassembled. But man, what a close call.

    Reminder to all of us: if you hear ANYTHING out of the ordinary, don't assume you know what happened. STOP what you are doing, call someone over for help, and inspect the firearm before proceeding. Even if it's only a slightly different hiccup, stop. Think. Check.

    Things could have been much much worse: my Springfield could have been ruined, or I could have injured my hand, eyes, or worse.

    Now to work on that Colt...
     
  2. SiameseRat

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    OK I have a HUGE problem with one aspect of this story.

    You absolutely should NOT under ANY circumstances do what this guy did. If your gun goes "click" when it should go "bang" you should wait at least 30 seconds with the gun pointed down range. If it's a hangfire and you're handling your gun you're going to shoot yourself, or worse, somebody else.
     
  3. Cross-X

    Cross-X Shooting at the big range in heaven Dealer NES Member

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    Ahhh, now this is a remark made by one who has had outstanding basic firearms training!
     
  4. Weerd Beard

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    Why did this get reposted?

    As I've said before: after you confirm it isn't a hang-fire, then I'd assume it's a bad primer, or bad contact with the firing pin, so when you rack the slide you're going to eject a "live" round. I would immidiatly retrive this round to confirm why it didn't go "bang" (since it could be a bad primier, or it could mean my 1911 is sick and needs to see a gunsmith).

    At this point he would have found just an empty brass (or whatever) and then he would KNOW that the bullet is SOMEWHERE, and probably still in the gun.

    Checking ejected live rounds probably would have saved the life of Brandon Lee. From what I read they did one camera shot with a gun loaded with dummy-rounds (no powder....I would assume no primer...or a spent primer). Then the gun was unloaded and loaded with blanks. They belive that the bullet broke off the dummy and came to rest in the barrell...then the blank became a live round.

    I'm sure the gun-handling on most movie sets would make me shit my pants, anyway.

    -Weer'd Beard
     
  5. SiameseRat

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    Weerd- but when you're making a movie all laws of physics and firearms are null and void... That's why you can get 20 shots from a 6 shooter.

    And Cross- thanks for the compliment, it just freaks me out that that sort of thing is so common. I know that in a real life situation if I were defending my life I wouldn't wait the 30 seconds, and some people train for those situations. But if I'm in the lane next to somebody who clicks instead of booms I want them to know how to handle the situation so that I don't get shot because they're stupid.
     
  6. Weerd Beard

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    SR: yeah that's true...but they're still using REAL guns (That may or may-not be able to do mind control) and not only are they IGNORING Jeff Cooper's 4 simple rules....but they're throwing them on the ground and pissing on them.


    It's a VERY odd thing I've noticed with GFWs. They think that guns are evil and should all be gone....but the moment one is in thier hands they won't waste a MOMENT break all 4 rules in one fell swoop.

    I just don't get it....I would assume they'd be incredulous of the rules to protect them from harm, and want to take even more precautions...

    -Weer'd Beard
     

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