Situation: What would you do to survive? (Zombie Attack)

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Ok... I have been on a sort of George A. Romero kick as of late, and this got me to thinking.

Hypothetically, if the shit hit the fan, and everyone was turning to zombies, what would you do to survive?

I'll give you two situations, and *Realistically* within your current means, what would you do to survive...

Situation one:
The world is turning to zombies, the progression is just starting, there seems to be enough time to bug out of your home and go somewhere to hide/ride it out for a while. Where do you go, and what do you bring with you. This of course means whatever you have available to you now, not "Go to Four Seasons and take everything that will fit in my car". Now to take this a little further, how about you, your family, and "Everything in my safe" won't all fit. What couple of guns do you take, and why, where do you go, and why.

Situation two:
The world is turning to zombies. The progression is in full force. They are everywhere although in your immediate area they are few and far between. You have been watching the news, and you know that they will be making their way to your area soon. There is no time to bug out. Within your existing means (things you already have, or are close enough a resource to get quickly without leaving your immediate area) what do you do to help ensure your survival against the oncoming hoard of flesh eaters.

I think this could be fun...

I already have mine ready, however I will wait a little while before posting.

Adam
 
Great topic, I am a huge George Romero fan. I would do the same thing in both scenarios. 1st I’d be kicking myself in the ass for selling my sar-1 with 500 rnds of ammo to Adam. 2nd I would check the forum and put a post telling others my plans and hoping to get more people like us to work as a military. as we learned from hurricane Katrina in times of absolute crisis we let the prisoners go, so why not take over Walpole State Prison. If we can keep people in then we can keep people out. It is equipped with sniper towers, spotlights and would have much food and supplies in storage. As far as weapons I would bring all my guns because I don’t have a whole bunch. 2 Jennings .22’s, 1 Davis p-380 1 S&W 9mm 1 AR-15 and 1 1911. Also George Romero zombies are slow moving so I know we would have a grand ol time plinking them.
 
Who needs guns? Just pull out the Sabersmith and go Highlander on them. Nothing like a good sharp Broadsword for taking care of Zombies.


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Save the Ammo for the Jackbooted Thugs.
 
I'd get my SKS or AK ( can;t make up my mind right now) and my Marlin .22. Grab the case of 7.62x39 and a couple of thousand .22lr's I have laying around.

I'd go to the upstairs of my house, there's only one way up or down, thru a door at the bottom.

I could then defend the stairs and or have a 'turkey shoot' out the up stairs windows. I have a bathroom up stairs, a porch roof I could go thru a window to get to to get down if I could. I guess I'd have to bring some food up there too.

Then I could shoot as many as I could before I ran out of ammo and food and eventually joined the hoards calling "Brains, brains !".


If I could leave I'd grab the same guns and maybe one of my 30-06's (and ammo) and head for the wilds of Vermont.

It's funny you mentioned this because I was just discussing this scenerio with my 12 year old granddaughter. She thought the doored, narrow stairs was a great place to be able to fight off the zoms.

I am a BIG living dead fan.
 
For situation one...

Now, this all depends on what KIND of zombie outbreak it is. Are we talking Night of the Living Dead, where you have to behead them? If so, Chris has the right idea... First, my Falcon Arms shortsword comes off the wall.

Second would be the Ruger & ParaOrdnance .45's. The Mossberg 500 would get tossed in the car along with the 10-22 and 1K rounds of .22 (for hunting if this is a class 3 Zombie outbreak) along with the Ruger Mark 1.

Now, since I don't have my grab & go box done yet, Kath & I'd grab whatever we could grab in 30 minutes (arbitrary deadline). sleeping bags and tent are in the garage, so those go in. Whatever non-perishable food we have and whatever's in the freezer gets tossed in the coolers to go with us. Clothes, meds, quick stop at the bank (thank G-d for ATM's) because there will be SOME people dumb enough to take cash for a while, and then hit the road.

Where? Northern VT. My sister lives up there, as does Nickle. Plus there are some nice remote places to hide while the outbreak burns itself out. I hope. Or to hide while thinking of a better plan if this is a Class 3, end of the world type outbreak.

if it's still al class 2 outbreak, then organizing a militia is the smart thing to do.

Oh, yeah... I'd make sure that my copy of the Zombie Survival Guide is in the car, too. Yes, it's a real book. It's also a great read. I do recommend it.
 
Settled! The rendezvous point will be northern VT. With the amount of people we can run security shifts through out the night. [wink]
 
Chris said:
Nothing like a good sharp Broadsword for taking care of Zombies.

Chris, if you're going to use a broadsword, I recommend a shield, too. Nothing like a shield to keep the zombies off you while you hack off their heads. Plus you can use it to plow your way through multiple zombies at a time. Mine is a 30" heater-shaped shield made of aircraft-grade aluminum.

Lord Donal MacDaniell,
squire to Viscount Sir Gaius Auklandus
 
See, I was thinking the same thing as BJ. I would get as many people as I can that not all zombiefied and hole up in a prison where we have defenses and food.

And, if I have two cars, can we fill them both up and go? If so, then I can take everything in my safe.

Don't need clothes becuase as you pick off Zombies, then you can just take the clothes they have. And prisions have washers and dryers.
 
Are we talking Night of the Living Dead, where you have to behead them?

I don't think it's ever necessary to behead. Every 'documentary' I ever saw just showed a bullet to the head to do the job. I think a .22lr would do it ok but I'd bring my AK ( I decided ! ) just in case. I've got about 10 30,40 round mags so it would probably be better than the SKS.

Who knows, we might have to fend off some desparate, non dead libs, who would be looking to us for protection. The cops they depend on probably won't be doing them much good by then.

I'll call you guys to decide on the meet up point when the time gets closer. :)
 
Ok, all weapons and military gear go in my SUV as well as the GTS bag(S). My ex-wife drives, and I ride shotgun with my .458 SOCOM. with the 600 grain rounds.

Head north of Albany to where the ex's father has a house on the lake. Sweap the area to make sure no zombies are in the area, dispatch any that are. Set up check point LP/OP on only road into area and begin training locals in basic defence. Send a few to local town to secure any food/weapons ect available. Wait the 90 days to confirm that the zombies are all dead and head in to the Albany NY Marine Reserve center. They should be good to go with an infantry company and a Tank company. (Think the tankers are changing over to an Anti-Terrorism Unit.)
 
dwarven1 said:
if you're going to use a broadsword, I recommend a shield, too. Nothing like a shield to keep the zombies off you while you hack off their heads.

Never used a shield with a sword. Doesn't it get in the way? Could be a difference in style too. I trained intially with a Tai Chi Gim and switched to the broadword for a better workout. You complete several forms swinging a 6 lb sword and you KNOW it. (^_^)

I guess it would depend on if the Zombies are Night of the Living Dead speed or Shawn of the Dead speed. If the latter, no problem. (^_^)

Still, Zombies would be easier than Graboids.

(yea, I do watch way too many BAD movies)
 
Pilgrim said:
Are we talking Night of the Living Dead, where you have to behead them?

I don't think it's ever necessary to behead.

I thought one of the Living Dead movies you had to behead them. Of course, if we're talking Anita Blake-style zombies, you either have to burn them or hack them into pieces - bullets do not stop them as their brains aren't animating them; magic is.

From the Zombie Survival Guide:

Types of outbreaks

CLASS 1
This is a low-level outbreak, usually in a Third World country or First World rural area. The number of zombies in this class of outbreak ranges between one and twenty. Total human casualties (including those infected) range from one to fifty. The total duration, from the first case to the last (known), will range between twenty-four hours and fourteen days. The infested area will be small, no larger than a twenty mile radius. In many cases, natural boundaries will determine its limits. Response will be light, either exclusively civilian or with some additional help from local law enforcement. Media coverage will light, if present at all. If the media is present, look for common stories like homicides or "accidents." This is the most common type of outbreak and also the easiest to go unnoticed.


CLASS 2
Urban or densely populated rural areas are included in this level of break. Total zombies will range between twenty and one hundred. Total human casualties may reach as high as several hundred. The duration of a Class 2 attack may last no longer than a Class I outbreak. In some cases, the larger number of zombies will spark a more immediate response. A rural, sparsely populated outbreak may extend to a hundred-mile radius, while an urban outbreak may encompass several blocks. Suppression will almost certainly be organized. Bands of civilians will be replaced by local, state, even federal law enforcement. Look for an additional, if low-level, military response: the National Guard in the United States or its equivalent abroad Most often, so as to ease panic, these units will take a more noncombatant role, providing medical assistance, crowd control, and logistical support. Class 2 outbreaks almost always attract the press. Unless the attack occurs in a truly isolated area of the world, or one where the media is strictly controlled, the story will be reported. This mean, however, that it will be reported accurately.

CLASS 3
A true crisis. Class 3 outbreaks, more than any other, demonstrate the clear threat posed by the living dead. Zombies will number in the thousands, encompassing an area of several hundred miles. The duration of the attack and a possible lengthy mop-up process could last as long as several months. There will be no chance for a press blackout or coverup. Even without media attention, the sheer magnitude of the attack will leave too many eyewitnesses. This is a full-blown battle, with law enforcement replaced by units of the regular military. A state of emergency will be declared for the infested zone, as well as the neighboring areas. Expect martial law, restricted travel, rationed supplies federalized services, and strictly monitored communication. All these measures, however, will take time to implement. The initial phase will be one of chaos as those in power come to grips with the crisis. Riots, looting, and widespread panic will add to their difficulties, further delaying an effective response. While this is happening, those living within the infested area will be at the mercy of the undead. Isolated, abandoned and surrounded by ghouls, they will have only themselves to depend on.

CLASS 4
(See "Living in an Undead World," pages 154-81.)

DETECTION
Every undead outbreak, regardless of its class, has a beginning. Now that the enemy has been defined, the next step is early warning. Knowing what a Zombie is will not help if you are unable to recognize an outbreak before it's too late. This does not entail building a “Zombie command post" in your basement, sticking pins in a map and huddling around the shortwave radio. All it requires is looking for signs that would slip by the untrained mind. These signs include:

I. Homicides in which the victims were executed by head shots or decapitation. It has happened many times: People recognize an outbreak for what it is and try to take matters into their own hands. Almost always, these people are declared murderers by the local authorities and prosecuted as such.

2. Missing persons, particularly in wilderness or uninhabited areas. Pay careful attention if one or more of the search members end up missing. If the story is televised or photographed, watch to see what level of armament the search parties carry. Any more than one rifle per group could mean that this is more than just a simple rescue operation.

3. Cases of "violent insanity" in which the subject attacked friends or family without the use of weapons. Find out if the attacker bit or tried to bite his victims. If so, are any of the victims still in the hospital? Try to discover if any of these victims mysteriously died within days of their bite.

4. Riots or other civil disturbances that began without provocation or other logical cause. Common sense will dictate that violence on any group level does not simply occur without a catalyst such as racial tension, political actions, or legal decisions. Even so-called “mass hysteria" can always be traced to a root source. If none can be found, the answer may lie elsewhere.

5. Disease-based deaths in which either the cause is undetermined or seems highly suspect. Deaths from infectious disease are rare in the industrialized world, compared to a century ago. For this reason, new outbreaks always make the news. Look for those cases in which the exact nature of the disease is unexplained. Also, be on the alert for suspicious explanations such as West Nile virus or "mad cow” disease. Either could be examples of a cover-up.

6 ANY of the above in which media coverage was forbidden. A total press blackout is rare in the United States. The occurrence of one should be regarded as a red flag. Of course, there may other reasons other than an attack of the living dead. Then again, any event causing a government as media-conscious as our own to clamp down merits close attention. The truth, no matter what it is, cannot be good.

Once an event has tripped your sensors, keep track of it. Note the location, and it’s distance from you. Watch for similar incidents around or near the original site. If, with a few days or weeks, these incidents do occur, study them carefully. Note the response of law enforcement and other government agencies. If they react more forcefully with each occurrence, chances are that an outbreak is unfolding.
 
Chris said:
Never used a shield with a sword. Doesn't it get in the way?

Not if you're doing it right. I fought sword & shield for about 15 years. It's the basic form in the SCA... and strangely enough, it's the basis for all the other forms. The nice thing about a shield is that when your opponent is trying to get you, you have something to interpose. Singlesword means that your sword has to be your offense AND defense. Much harder. (FWIW, I fought S&S, greatsword, spear and polearm. My favorites were polearm and greatsword)

Chris said:
You complete several forms swinging a 6 lb sword and you KNOW it.

SIX POUNDS????? Who do you think you are, Conan? Broadswords weigh about THREE pounds. What were you swinging, a claymore?

Chris said:
I guess it would depend on if the Zombies are Night of the Living Dead speed or Shawn of the Dead speed. If the latter, no problem.
See my above post regarding types of zombies. (and I forgot to even mention voodoo zombies... yet another type!)

Chris said:
(yea, I do watch way too many BAD movies)

Kathy and I have been known to deliberately look for BAD movies to invite friends over to watch. Sort of a MST3K session of our own. I'll let you know when the next one is.
 
Can I make a friendly suggestion?? [?]

Adam, would you consider editing your first post to put something like "Zombie attack" at the end of your title and then opening up another serious topic as well (for us non-sci-fi folks) on what people might do if there was a real breakdown like we saw in NO, flood disaster like hit NH, etc. and TPTB were trying to force an evacuation, etc.

I think that there is serious validity to a real discussion as well as the sci-fi ones. . . unless your Zombies actually work at the State House or Congress, in which case both posts would be about the same thing! [wink]
 
OK...
My solutions.
First, I am assuming that the zombies are more like the ones in the 2005 remake of Dawn of the Dead. That means that they can run at full speed, and have full strength. Not like in the original, where you can just push your way past them and take them out with baseball bats.

First situation:
In my truck, I load my Walther P99, and my 1911. Also coming along is my new SAR-1 (thanks B.J.) and my new Savage in .308. Although in my truck I would have room for more, most others would be left behind. This is due to low ammo count for all other rifles. I would take the guns I have listed, because I have butt loads of ammo for each. Also in the truck, would go all the canned and dry goods, and same as Ross all the frozen foods would go into a cooler. All 8 gallons of SHTF water would be thrown in, and of course whatever med supplies and booze I have on hand. I have sleeping bags, extra blankets, tent, camping stove, lanterns, and extra propane tanks all stored so they can be brought out of the basement in a single trip. In my basement I have 8 4'X8' sheets of 3/4" plywood. These were left-overs from a friend, that I have sitting on pallets in a crawl space size area of my basement with no concrete floor. I have them setup there so that I can store Rubermaid containers on top of them. I would put 2 or 3 of these into the truck, and would be used to help fortify any structure I would happen along. In one trip, I would grab the entire 18V power combo containing a screw/drill gun, circular saw, jig saw, and flashlight. In that same trip I would grab the toolbox that contains most any hand tool I would need, and a large selection of screws, nuts, and bolts. I would make a final trip into the basement and throw a long handle spade shovel, chain saw, and pre-mix gas can into the truck. I would then fire up truck, and put my Hemi to good use making short work of getting to the western part of the state, then up toward Northern VT. But not before stopping at the convenient store about a mile away from my house to loot all the canned/dry goods and booze I can.

Second solution:
The zombies are closing on my position. I am surrounded and they will have made it to my town within an hour or 2. If I were still single, the same would hold for situation 1, although I would be alone, and would drive to where I needed to go with reckless abandon taking out as many of the flesh eaters as needed in the process.. :D
Since that's not the case now, I would make my way to that same convenient store and take what I could. Back at the ranch, I would fortify my house by blockading all the windows with the exception of the windows in the kitchen. I think those are plenty high enough to not worry at the moment. I would cut the sheets of plywood to size and quickly screw them into the frames on the outside of the house. I would do it that way because if they were on the inside, and the glass was broken there would be a chance that the plywood couldn't be pushed into the house. Once all is boarded up, I would continue the task inside the house, making window sized pieces of wood that would be left by all the windows that could be put up on the inside in case that was needed. I would take my chainsaw and cut barrel sized slits into the plywood for obvious reasons. I would then place a small amount of provisions into the attic. My attic isn't much more than a tall crawl space with the only way up being a hole in the ceiling in the master bedroom. That would be the last ditch escape route. With the chainsaw I could cut my way out and onto the roof if needed.
Hold out and wait...

The way I figure it, I can hold out in my house with a small trip to that store for a couple of weeks. I have a well that could be easily made accessible from the inside of the basement, with an addition of a small hole.

If all else fails... I will make sure to save a couple of bullets.


I have thought this through, because one alcohol induced Saturday night, after watching the original Dawn of the Dead, followed by the 2004 remake, I had some funky dreams where the second scenario was needed for survival.

I think this was a fun exercise, and can be translated to more than just this one Zombie scenario.

I am still waiting to hear from the rest of you on this!!

Adam
 
And I thought I would be considered a nut for thinking about this and talking to my granddaughter about it !

BTW, you've convinced me I need to bring one or more .45's for those close up mad dashes amongst the zombs. I've got about 500 rnds avail at all times.
 
Adam_MA said:
All 8 gallons of SHTF water would be thrown in,

Excellent point, Adam!

I forgot that I store my drinking water in 3 gal jugs in the garage... and do not let myself get below 3 jugs.

Now... as for barricading oneself in. The Zombie Survival Guide mentions that zombies have very acute hearing, so if you stay quiet, they might just pass you by in their eternal search for flesh. Having the plywood over the windows would certainly help.

and we all know that zombies aren't smart enough to use a prybar or a screwdriver, so it's not like they can take the plywood off.
 
dwarven1 said:
SIX POUNDS????? Who do you think you are, Conan? Broadswords weigh about THREE pounds. What were you swinging, a claymore?

*Points up in thread to aforementioned Sabersmith*

This is my Sword

sword1.jpg


I should go scan the slides that I did about 8 years ago for a photo essay entitled "The Many Uses of the Barbarian Broadsword in Today's Household" It included photos of:

* Precision limb trimming
* Sizing Pergo flooring
* Radiator hose removal
* Toilet clog remedy
* Toothpick
* Vegtable slicer
* Coffee stirrer
* Firewood splitter
* Anti-mugging jogging weight
* Fly Swatter
* Bookmark
* Clothesline support for boxers
* Mole hunting

AND

* Jehova Wittness Repellant

Act now, and you too can get your own Barbarian Broadsword and start enjoying the many uses of this classic tool in your own home.

Operators are standing by to take your order.
 
I never had thought about a situation like this however, I think I'd stay at home. Board the place up good from outside and inside, A few well placed firing positions for if the need arises. Make the upstairs of the house the living quaters, We have a bathroom up there so that would be handy. Bring all the firearms out of the safe and have them ready. The Wife keeps the house pretty stocked up on food items and we only drink bottled water anyway so there is more than enough to hold the household over for a month.

I dont know about you folks, but, I have enough reloading supplies on hand that it would be a mistake to leave with all that stuff available. I can load for my .45, .40, 9mm. I have enough .223 and .22 ammo to hold me over for quite a long time not to mention my ammo can full of 30-06 stuff. Being I live here in the Northeast, We have the typical winter/northeaster supplies, Candles, and hurricane lamps with oil. I cant see the "zombies" having their way for more than a couple weeks, Our fine Military would of course be out eliminating them.

Yep, I'd hunker down with the family and protect them from the place I know the best, Home....
 
TonyD said:
I'd hang a lamb chop over the neighbors door and video tape the carnage. [lol]

You mean the carnage of you being eaten by a zombie? Tony, the living dead only prey upon LIVE HUMANS. They'd ignore the lamb chop and go for the Marine chop... YOU.
 
dwarven1 said:
TonyD said:
I'd hang a lamb chop over the neighbors door and video tape the carnage. [lol]

You mean the carnage of you being eaten by a zombie? Tony, the living dead only prey upon LIVE HUMANS. They'd ignore the lamb chop and go for the Marine chop... YOU.

Well then, Plan B;

I hang that obnoxious kid down the street over the neighbors door while cooking the lamb chop on my grill all the while video taping the carnage.

Here, hold my beer...
 
dwarven1 said:
You mean the carnage of you being eaten by a zombie?
Tony, the living dead only prey upon LIVE HUMANS. They'd ignore the lamb chop and go for the Marine chop... YOU.
TonyD said:
Well then, Plan B;

I hang that obnoxious kid down the street over the neighbors door while cooking the lamb chop on my grill all the while video taping the carnage.

Here, hold my beer...

Now, THAT might work. But I'd think you'd want me to hold a rifle so I can cover you while you're cooking that chop... and how come you're not putting one on for me, anyway? [wink]
 
Uncle Fester said:
Chris said:
Still, Zombies would be easier than Graboids.

(yea, I do watch way too many BAD movies)

I want to be Burt Gummer when I grow up.

Whenever my son or daughter are visiting, we frequently end up trying to "out-Burt" Michael Gross with our own ideas for dealing with the Graboids, subterranean and airborne. They're both pretty good at it. My wife usually goes somewhere else to ignore us. [wink]

Ken
 
dwarven1 said:
TonyD said:
You mean the carnage of you being eaten by a zombie? Tony, the living dead only prey upon LIVE HUMANS. They'd ignore the lamb chop and go for the Marine chop... YOU.

Well then, Plan B;

I hang that obnoxious kid down the street over the neighbors door while cooking the lamb chop on my grill all the while video taping the carnage.

Here, hold my beer...

Now, THAT might work. But I'd think you'd want me to hold a rifle so I can cover you while you're cooking that chop... and how come you're not putting one on for me, anyway? [wink][/quote]

There's plenty. I thought you were bringing the beer?
 
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