Sig Legion Series 1911??

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I have a Legion 229 SAO and love it. Gorgeous pistol. I’ve been looking around and see that Sig has Legion models in almost all of their offerings so far, except, for a 1911 Legion.

Anybody in the know or a Sig follower hear any talk of making a 1911 Legion?
 
I would think that would be a huge seller for them. In fact I’m kind of dumbfounded they haven’t done it yet.
 
I have a Legion 229 SAO and love it. Gorgeous pistol. I’ve been looking around and see that Sig has Legion models in almost all of their offerings so far, except, for a 1911 Legion.

Anybody in the know or a Sig follower hear any talk of making a 1911 Legion?
Lol, the problem with that idea is it would be called a Dan Wesson.

-Mike
 
Lol, the problem with that idea is it would be called a Dan Wesson.

-Mike

You think they’d charge that much for them? I mean I really like the Legions, kind of dark and serious looking, but really shouldn’t be more than say 1100.00 or so, 1150.00, give or take.

How much does a DW go for? Aren’t they like 2K and up?
 
You think they’d charge that much for them? I mean I really like the Legions, kind of dark and serious looking, but really shouldn’t be more than say 1100.00 or so, 1150.00, give or take.

How much does a DW go for? Aren’t they like 2K and up?
Sig already has $1200 1911 based guns. 1911 tacops nightmare xiectalux whatever edition.

If it was legion level quality a Legion 1911 would cost at least $1500.

Dw makes guns from about $1100 on up. I think my specialist black cost like $1700ish. You can get a stainless one though for a couple hundo less.
 
If you are talking over $2k for two of them, you might consider 1 awesome semi-custom. I have seen Wilson’s and Ed Browns going for about $2k. Not often, but it does happen around once a month. I saw a Volkmann for sale for $2400. Went weeks until someone clipped it.
 
Appreciate the comments but it’s not about finding any high grade high cost 1911. Just wondering if Sig has any plans to make the Legion 1911.
 
It is weird that sig hasn’t come out with a 1911 legion, they exploit everything else.

Sig has a legion p226 in black nitron but I think it’s only for law enforcement

I wouldn’t mind having a legion 1911
 
It is weird that sig hasn’t come out with a 1911 legion, they exploit everything else.

Sig has a legion p226 in black nitron but I think it’s only for law enforcement

I wouldn’t mind having a legion 1911

The problem is you can build a high quality P226 without going crazy with hand fitting.

To build a legion grade 1911 would require a lot more labor than the P226 does. You would have to have guys who are
trained to fit guns, so they would look and feel better than the lower tier stuff they already sell. (I'm not saying those guns
don't work, they work well for a lot of people, but they can't call their current 1911 products "Legion" worthy, ill just leave it at
that.

My guess is they are also hemming and hawing about it because like I said to @cams, the price would probably exceed $1500. Now you're into that
weird territory where the pool of potential buyers plummets dramatically. Someone in Sig management is probably saying something like "The juice isn't worth the
squeeze and we sell plenty of the cheap ones just fine" etc. It's not like with the standard P series where those guns basically turned into like 30% dogshit and you have to
buy a legion to get a better chance at getting a nice one.

I also don't think 1911 sales is really an expanding market, so that issue is there, too. Think of all the players and all the guns on the
market, at different price points.
 
How does it make the cost jump so high as opposed to the other Legion offerings? I’m no gunsmith or even home builder, just a regular guy that shoots them.

I posted this thread after seeing one of the Legion P220’s listed for sale. Looks sick, but I’m a much bigger fan of SAO and the 226 although beautiful, I’ve owned a couple of the old German ones back in the day, the grip is just fat and bulky for me, and it hit me then hey where’s the 1911 version??

Even see a lot more 938’s now in Legion but couldn’t find any mention at all online about 1911’s being considered, which thinking about it now, just makes @drgrant ‘s reasoning that much more valid.
 
How does it make the cost jump so high as opposed to the other Legion offerings? I’m no gunsmith or even home builder, just a regular guy that shoots them.

Commodity grade 1911s are not really hand fitted much, or at all. They basically gently ram shit together and if it doesnt work they get different parts and keep trying until they get an end product that's considered "good enough". CNC machining processes typically allow them to make the tolerances close enough, hand selecting parts for mating lets them speed-fit the guns and get them out the door. On the other hand, DW and a bunch of other companies hand fit all their guns. They also don't use MIM junk in their guns either. (this increases the part cost, little parts like safety levers, extractors, slide locks, mag releases, hammers, etc. ). Some MIM parts are perfectly fine but it is kind of embarrassing on a $1000+ 1911 for it to be loaded with MIM.

I posted this thread after seeing one of the Legion P220’s listed for sale. Looks sick, but I’m a much bigger fan of SAO and the 226 although beautiful, I’ve owned a couple of the old German ones back in the day, the grip is just fat and bulky for me, and it hit me then hey where’s the 1911 version??

There's a P220 Legion SAO, or at least it used to exist. (maybe discontinued now?)

Even see a lot more 938’s now in Legion but couldn’t find any mention at all online about 1911’s being considered, which thinking about it now, just makes @drgrant ‘s reasoning that much more valid.

The other thing I just thought of..... I'm not sure how many sig 1911s are still floating around in distribution or channels, but Sig might not be putting out a
Legion 1911 because they don't want to blow their own foot off, Say they produce a Legion 1911 at an attractive price point, like $1300. Nobody is going to buy the 900-1100 Sig 1911s anymore theyre going to go to the Legion. Distributors are going to be sitting on their hands with guns, etc. They're going to go "thanks a lot, Sig" [rofl]
 
Well Michael, you make good sense, even if it crushes my dreams. lol I’ll still drink with ya. 🍻👍🏻
 
The other thing I just thought of..... I'm not sure how many sig 1911s are still floating around in distribution or channels, but Sig might not be putting out a
Legion 1911 because they don't want to blow their own foot off,

You're on to something there, looking at the web page they make several different models of 1911's. Flooding their own market.
 
Commodity grade 1911s are not really hand fitted much, or at all. They basically gently ram shit together and if it doesnt work they get different parts and keep trying until they get an end product that's considered "good enough". CNC machining processes typically allow them to make the tolerances close enough, hand selecting parts for mating lets them speed-fit the guns and get them out the door. On the other hand, DW and a bunch of other companies hand fit all their guns. They also don't use MIM junk in their guns either. (this increases the part cost, little parts like safety levers, extractors, slide locks, mag releases, hammers, etc. ). Some MIM parts are perfectly fine but it is kind of embarrassing on a $1000+ 1911 for it to be loaded with MIM.



There's a P220 Legion SAO, or at least it used to exist. (maybe discontinued now?)



The other thing I just thought of..... I'm not sure how many sig 1911s are still floating around in distribution or channels, but Sig might not be putting out a
Legion 1911 because they don't want to blow their own foot off, Say they produce a Legion 1911 at an attractive price point, like $1300. Nobody is going to buy the 900-1100 Sig 1911s anymore theyre going to go to the Legion. Distributors are going to be sitting on their hands with guns, etc. They're going to go "thanks a lot, Sig" [rofl]



Never know with sig. I think they got rid most of their p models and left their legion models up for sale

I could see them getting rid of some or most 1911 models and sticking a legion in there.
 
Never know with sig. I think they got rid most of their p models and left their legion models up for sale

I could see them getting rid of some or most 1911 models and sticking a legion in there.

I like the way you think. We’re friends now, even if you don’t want to be. 🍻👌🏻
 
It is weird that sig hasn’t come out with a 1911 legion, they exploit everything else.

Sig has a legion p226 in black nitron but I think it’s only for law enforcement

I wouldn’t mind having a legion 1911

Ya maybe in black but they do make one us little peeps can have in cerakote.

On an aside, what exactly is up with Sig LE only versions? I occasionally notice one with warnings all over about it, even saw used ones advertised on an auction site.

Is it just a Sig thing, like if caught selling to an ordinary citizen they take your dealer privileges away? I can't see a dealer giving a damn about that in a used trade in but some do. Talking NH here, no lists exist.
 
Ya maybe in black but they do make one us little peeps can have in cerakote.

On an aside, what exactly is up with Sig LE only versions? I occasionally notice one with warnings all over about it, even saw used ones advertised on an auction site.

Is it just a Sig thing, like if caught selling to an ordinary citizen they take your dealer privileges away? I can't see a dealer giving a damn about that in a used trade in but some do. Talking NH here, no lists exist.


Good question. I just caught wind of it on softball forum that a leo bought himself one.
 
Maybe no Legion 1911s because they can barely keep up with their military contracts?
I have noticed Sig seems to be getting away from making stuff in .45 caliber.
Outside the 1911s, they sell the P320 Compact in .45 and the P220 in .45, that’s it.
No other P320s (Full Size or Carry) and no more double stack P227s. All discontinued.

i also read somewhere that the whole legion line wasn’t selling as well as hoped.
 
Ya maybe in black but they do make one us little peeps can have in cerakote.

On an aside, what exactly is up with Sig LE only versions? I occasionally notice one with warnings all over about it, even saw used ones advertised on an auction site.

Is it just a Sig thing, like if caught selling to an ordinary citizen they take your dealer privileges away? I can't see a dealer giving a damn about that in a used trade in but some do. Talking NH here, no lists exist.

My guess is its something like the Glock blue label program, buyers have to be qualified and the gun goes for a certain price blah blah blah, etc. It's a contractual thing, there's nothing
legally stopping you from buying one other than a dealer perhaps getting whacked by Sig for it if they were a sig dealer, etc.
 
Maybe no Legion 1911s because they can barely keep up with their military contracts?
I have noticed Sig seems to be getting away from making stuff in .45 caliber.
Outside the 1911s, they sell the P320 Compact in .45 and the P220 in .45, that’s it.
No other P320s (Full Size or Carry) and no more double stack P227s. All discontinued.

i also read somewhere that the whole legion line wasn’t selling as well as hoped.


Probably because the pvd finish sucks, and the way the frame placed while they set it up for the pvd finish. People were having similar pvd problems throughout the whole frame

This was a brand new legion when they first came out. I sold it and bought a mk25 and installed an srt

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My guess is its something like the Glock blue label program, buyers have to be qualified and the gun goes for a certain price blah blah blah, etc. It's a contractual thing, there's nothing
legally stopping you from buying one other than a dealer perhaps getting whacked by Sig for it if they were a sig dealer, etc.

Ya definitely can't be a legal thing outside of commie states since they aren’t full auto :).. only thing I can think of is I did read something about a special light trigger on some .357 Sig LE only model, unlikely but maybe they lighten it beyond normal specs and Sig considers it a liability to sell to non professionals.
 
Maybe no Legion 1911s because they can barely keep up with their military contracts?
I have noticed Sig seems to be getting away from making stuff in .45 caliber.
Outside the 1911s, they sell the P320 Compact in .45 and the P220 in .45, that’s it.
No other P320s (Full Size or Carry) and no more double stack P227s. All discontinued.

i also read somewhere that the whole legion line wasn’t selling as well as hoped.

Legions are pretty pointless unless you get a discount, then whatever - a $1200 gun (though may be had elsewhere for $950) is a $600 gun, may as well buy the top shelf model. Only reason I own one.

I can't tell a Legion SRT from a regular SRT and swear the non SRT model I have is actually a lighter and nicer feel than the others (I don't mess with pistol triggers but suspect SRT has a consequence).

Not to make a caliber debate, hell I own a .45 and I will for life, but it is no longer pertinent from a technical standpoint IMO. The capacity is pretty lame, it recoils a lot for an auto caliber, and it only marginally does anything more than the others if anything - basically no organization who researches this stuff issues them as far as I know. Basically if you care about recoil and capacity then 9mm, .40, .357 Sig all win (and sure .40 is by the wayside too), if you care about capacity and stopping power 10mm smokes all those, and .45, in power at .40 capacity. Only slight niche is like a shotgun slug .45 is not going to be deadly for much distance, especially if it passed through someone first (compared to 10mm).
 
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Legions are pretty pointless unless you get a discount, then whatever - a $1200 gun (though may be had elsewhere for $950) is a $600 gun, may as well buy the top shelf model. Only reason I own one.

I can't tell a Legion SRT from a regular SRT and swear the non SRT model I have is actually a lighter and nicer feel than the others (I don't mess with pistol triggers but suspect SRT has a consequence).

Lol not sure if serious, the fit and finish on the Legions is usually cut above the bone stock P series guns and they typically have better triggers, as well. The mainstream sig guns had long
been questionable garbage, but the Legions were actually something that wasn't embarrassing to buy. There's a captain obvious reason why certain classic P series pistols would
collect more money than others, probably because the seller had something that was made on a Wednesday. Also the frame cut/etc on a Legion P series is way better than a stock
gun. Sig had all these faglaroid variants and then they finally cleaned that up by putting the Legion at the end.


Not to make a caliber debate, hell I own a .45 and I will for life, but it is no longer pertinent from a technical standpoint IMO. The capacity is pretty lame, it recoils a lot for an auto caliber, and it only marginally does anything more than the others if anything - basically no organization who researches this stuff issues them as far as I know. Basically if you care about recoil and capacity then 9mm, .40, .357 Sig all win (and sure .40 is by the wayside too), if you care about capacity and stopping power 10mm smokes all those, and .45, in power at .40 capacity. Only slight niche is like a shotgun slug .45 is not going to be deadly for much distance, especially if it passed through someone first (compared to 10mm).
Lol "it depends" on what you want to do with it.

From a sales aspect, in anything other than niche applications, every other handgun caliber is dying compared to 9mm and .22 LR, in terms of raw sales volume. Like 5 to 1, literally. There used to be all that faggotry people did with .40 > .357 sig conversion barrels blah blah poop shit whatever, but all that has gone right down the toilet. Nobody does that anymore. People finally figured out that most of it is superfluous. .45 though will be around a long ass time, because of two things... the installed base, and the 1911. 1911s often suck with anything other than .45 ACP, so there is sort of a codependency there. There are also a lot of great .45 ACP handguns that have come out in the last decade or so, things like the XD .45, XDs .45, M&P .45, and others.
 
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