Shooting Reported at High School in Santa Clarita, California

It's called "parenting". Or lack of. Jack.

I don't think it's lack of parenting, more likely one or two parents teaching him his behavior is ok cause they love him. Also our schools are factories producing messed up boys. I wonder how many mass shooters were home schooled? Seems like they're all products of leftist public schools.
 
Well, but not really. There’s undoubtedly an even longer streak of fatherless boys NOT becoming mad shooters. I’ve known a lot more of those.

I also think there’s a difference between a kid without a father figure at all, vs a kid who had a father (even a good one, by all accounts so far), then lost him.

I just think there are way too many variables to account for in cases like these. There’s no simple explanation, unfortunately.

I've heard the most common denominator in mass shooters is lack of a father figure. Losing his father likely played a part, further illustrating the importantance of a father figure in boys development, despite the metoo movement's proclamations.
 

“Their editorial noted, “This is the 39th mass shooting (that is, a shooting in which at least four people were wounded) in California this year, bringing the statewide total to 53 people killed and 158 injured. And this in a state with some of the most stringent gun control laws in the country.” It’s stunning to witness the mental gymnastics required for the Times to not realize they’ve just undercut their entire argument...Let’s be clear: Liberals are telling you that more gun laws — which don’t actually apply to the specifics of this case at all — would have stopped a shooting in the state that already has one of the strictest gun control regimens.”


It is past time for us to do something that really works. With another mass public shooting in California, it is time for California to recognize that its gun control laws might actually be part of the problem. Let’s stop leaving our schoolchildren as sitting ducks.

One liberal/progressive I know holds that until we’ve tried all possible gun laws everywhere for decades we haven’t done enough. The mentality is that gun laws cannot be proven ineffective - they *must* work in theory so any failure is due to not enough laws enforced for not long enough. Such Socialist fantasies are only defeated by human nature and independent will.
 
I've heard the most common denominator in mass shooters is lack of a father figure. Losing his father likely played a part, further illustrating the importantance of a father figure in boys development, despite the metoo movement's proclamations.

Right, but you’re missing what I’m saying. Many thousands of boys grow up with even less fatherly influence than this shooter had, and they DON’T become mass shooters.

You just never hear about them because they’re well-adjusted.

Sure, losing his dad probably contributed to whatever caused this. But so did a whole slew of other variables we don’t even know. These cases defy simple explanations, despite what we might wish.
 
One liberal/progressive I know holds that until we’ve tried all possible gun laws everywhere for decades we haven’t done enough. The mentality is that gun laws cannot be proven ineffective - they *must* work in theory so any failure is due to not enough laws enforced for not long enough. Such Socialist fantasies are only defeated by human nature and independent will.

That’s pretty common.

It’s noteworthy that they don’t apply this to anything else, like driver training, or swimming pools, or anything else that kills lots of people.
 
The mentality is that gun laws cannot be proven ineffective - they *must* work in theory so any failure is due to not enough laws enforced for not long enough. Such Socialist fantasies are only defeated by human nature and independent will.

QFMFT.
 
Right, but you’re missing what I’m saying. Many thousands of boys grow up with even less fatherly influence than this shooter had, and they DON’T become mass shooters.

You just never hear about them because they’re well-adjusted.

Sure, losing his dad probably contributed to whatever caused this. But so did a whole slew of other variables we don’t even know. These cases defy simple explanations, despite what we might wish.

It doesn't matter how the healthy non-shooters grew up. It's like saying I smoked my whole life and never got lung cancer, so smoking doesn't cause cancer. Obviously smoking is not the only variable in lung cancer or every smoker would get it. Doesn't mean smoking is not THE primary cause.

You have to look for common variables among the shooters - and try to remove those variables when you find them. Liberal public school education and lack of father figures, or worse, demonization of father figures by liberal society. Remove those and you'll greatly reduce the mass shootings.
 
It doesn't matter how the healthy non-shooters grew up. It's like saying I smoked my whole life and never got lung cancer, so smoking doesn't cause cancer.

Sure it matters. You can’t just ignore counterfactuals.

As for your smoking point, it doesn’t work. Physiology and psychology just aren’t the same.

You’re confusing correlations with causation. That’s just bad reasoning.
 
One liberal/progressive I know holds that until we’ve tried all possible gun laws everywhere for decades we haven’t done enough. The mentality is that gun laws cannot be proven ineffective - they *must* work in theory so any failure is due to not enough laws enforced for not long enough. Such Socialist fantasies are only defeated by human nature and independent will.

I think your average mom or dad or single liberal might think this, but the liberal power brokers/politicians know full well the true purpose of gun control - to disarm their future opposition when they impose their socialist totalitarianism.
 
Sure it matters. You can’t just ignore counterfactuals.

As for your smoking point, it doesn’t work. Physiology and psychology just aren’t the same.

You’re confusing correlations with causation. That’s just bad reasoning.
Picton were you ever educated outside of the United States?
 
Sure it matters. You can’t just ignore counterfactuals.

As for your smoking point, it doesn’t work. Physiology and psychology just aren’t the same.

You’re confusing correlations with causation. That’s just bad reasoning.

So how do you explain the near 100% correlation between lack of father figure and mass shooting? What else has such high correlation? Not being white - that's a lie perpetuated by leftist media - many of the shooters have been Asian, plus a few blacks and hispanics. I suspect behavioral drugs, but that's hard to know because the media hide the data.

I agree with your previous point that the causes are complicated and multiple. However disagree that all the father-less people are assumed normal just cause they haven't committed a mass shooting. After all many of these shooters were presumed normal the day before they shot up a school. Just look at the black community if you think lack of father figure doesn't contribute to violence.

I target the liberal public education system and breakdown of traditional family as the biggest bang for the buck, since they lead to so many problems in addition to mass shootings.
 
Im sure lack of a father doesnt help but its like making a soup. Theres a dozen ingredients in differing quantities that determine what the soup ends up like. Good, bad, mediocre, bland, etc. Something happened that made people feel that this was an acceptable option to them. There were always kids without fathers, depressed, angry, bullied, whatever.
 
So how do you explain the near 100% correlation between lack of father figure and mass shooting?

And we should keep in mind that we are not immune from the media’s constant drumming that US leads the way in Mass Killings - a myth debunked without any uptake by the media and certainly not by gun control proponents The Myth That the US Leads the World in Mass Shootings | Jon Miltimore It’s worth highlighting that we have more guns per capital than any other country and *don’t* lead the globe in mass killings. When mass shootings were near baseline on all those charts we see, the US already lead the world on guns per capital. It’s not about the guns.

When correlated factors are added up one can identify that well over half of mass shooters come from the bottom fifth of social cohesion rankings - low functional connections with families, friends, communities, schools. But that describes tens of millions. The left wants to treat violence as a disease and firearms as the vector - immunizing against the disease is simply removing guns to them. I’d equate criminals with those that refuse to immunize their children - as long as they exist violence will be perpetrated with guns, knives, sticks and fists. There’s no reason to believe criminal intent has left the human race.

We have not evolved alternatives to a stable family with a father and a mother, to friends children play with and adults socialize with, to communities with a sense of belonging, to schools with teachers and staff that are allowed to teach. Single parents, virtual relationships on the internet and social media, communities that exist to tax residents to pay pensions of public employees, schools ruled by lawyers - this is our world today. The liberal/progressive ideology has depleted and denied our moral and ethical basis for society and they blame guns, want to redistribute wealth, open borders...
 
 
One liberal/progressive I know holds that until we’ve tried all possible gun laws everywhere for decades we haven’t done enough. The mentality is that gun laws cannot be proven ineffective - they *must* work in theory so any failure is due to not enough laws enforced for not long enough. Such Socialist fantasies are only defeated by human nature and independent will.

I'd hate to see someone like that designing bridges or other important things. "Until we try all different possibilities of bridges no matter how many collapse, they cannot be proven ineffective".
 
Im sure lack of a father doesnt help but its like making a soup. Theres a dozen ingredients in differing quantities that determine what the soup ends up like. Good, bad, mediocre, bland, etc. Something happened that made people feel that this was an acceptable option to them. There were always kids without fathers, depressed, angry, bullied, whatever.

Yeah, I agree, and it's father figure - I don't think you need a father so much as a good father figure. Bad father probably is no help. I can see the effect on my boys in school, the after school has a really good male coordinator who keeps them in line. The women running the other classes not so much. Also trying to make boys sit still in a chair for 6 hrs a day is stupid, but that's another story.
 
And we should keep in mind that we are not immune from the media’s constant drumming that US leads the way in Mass Killings - a myth debunked without any uptake by the media and certainly not by gun control proponents The Myth That the US Leads the World in Mass Shootings | Jon Miltimore It’s worth highlighting that we have more guns per capital than any other country and *don’t* lead the globe in mass killings. When mass shootings were near baseline on all those charts we see, the US already lead the world on guns per capital. It’s not about the guns.

When correlated factors are added up one can identify that well over half of mass shooters come from the bottom fifth of social cohesion rankings - low functional connections with families, friends, communities, schools. But that describes tens of millions. The left wants to treat violence as a disease and firearms as the vector - immunizing against the disease is simply removing guns to them. I’d equate criminals with those that refuse to immunize their children - as long as they exist violence will be perpetrated with guns, knives, sticks and fists. There’s no reason to believe criminal intent has left the human race.

We have not evolved alternatives to a stable family with a father and a mother, to friends children play with and adults socialize with, to communities with a sense of belonging, to schools with teachers and staff that are allowed to teach. Single parents, virtual relationships on the internet and social media, communities that exist to tax residents to pay pensions of public employees, schools ruled by lawyers - this is our world today. The liberal/progressive ideology has depleted and denied our moral and ethical basis for society and they blame guns, want to redistribute wealth, open borders...

Very well said.

They're not gonna blame the society they created (or destroyed), so that doesn't leave much else ====> guns.
 
One liberal/progressive I know holds that until we’ve tried all possible gun laws everywhere for decades we haven’t done enough. The mentality is that gun laws cannot be proven ineffective - they *must* work in theory so any failure is due to not enough laws enforced for not long enough. Such Socialist fantasies are only defeated by human nature and independent will.

More nails. We just need more nails. And maybe some tape...
 
This whole story has seemed to disappear the news cycle on this story is over. Did not fit the narrative no white boy, no AR or AK nothing to see move along.
 
This whole story has seemed to disappear the news cycle on this story is over. Did not fit the narrative no white boy, no AR or AK nothing to see move along.

They tried, briefly, with the ghost guns.

But no.
 
The 16-year-old who opened fire Thursday at a high school in Santa Clarita, Calif., killing two people and wounding three others, has died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, authorities said. Nathaniel Tennosuke Berhow shot himself on his 16th birthday after pulling a gun from his backpack at Saugus High School, where he was a junior, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department said. Berhow received treatment, but died Friday at about 3:30 p.m. local time with his mother present, according to the department.

Reminds me that suicides by gunshot are 85%+ effective. Had the kid just shot himself we’d not have ever hear about it. The press seems to follow the unwritten rule about naming suicide victims,,especially if they are children. But for the sake of more gun control they ignore the 30-50% Copy Cat rate and name the killer ASAP.

But no big victim tally, no big manifesto - no big news...
 
If you know anyone in Commifornia tell them to pay cash for their 80% now......and those of you who live here too!


There’s no question that unfinished lowers, jigs, and possibly some parts will be affected by this in California. Make no mistake, this state will certainly add to the infringements.
 
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So.

Who were this kid's docs? (I already know the answer: we're not allowed to know, any more than we're permitted to know who were Adam Lanza's.)

And I'm sure he was under care.

I'll don my tinfoil and speculate that they had the same sorts of affiliations as Lanza's did (and I don't mean the AMA or the Rotarians).


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1zy9MW8CkA
 

A textbook case of a Copy Cat mass killing planned within two weeks of a widely publicized mass killing. "Since a student opened fire at Saugus High School and killed two of his classmates in mid-November, Los Angeles authorities have responded to multiple school shooting threats, Villanueva said." The media reminded potential mass killers to get themselves an AR15, 10rd+ mags, lots of ammo and draw a map of the planned event in advance - good job making tomorrow's killers fit the desired meme. This time the plot was interrupted when the subtle signs (a student saying he planned to kill others) were acted upon. It sounds like a search warrant was procured - must have been too much probably cause for a Red Flag ERPO? An arrest was made so due process will be followed.

This *might* have been a disruption of a mass killing done right by schools and law enforcement. *Might* as the mention of an adult arrested on the same charges, mention of an "unregistered" AR15 with SN, makes me wonder if the kid even had access to the firearm - it might have just been one of millions of firearms in CA owned by someone who didn't comply with CA's ever-encroaching gun laws. It the AR15 were registered, what good would that have served in this case?
 

A textbook case of a Copy Cat mass killing planned within two weeks of a widely publicized mass killing. "Since a student opened fire at Saugus High School and killed two of his classmates in mid-November, Los Angeles authorities have responded to multiple school shooting threats, Villanueva said." The media reminded potential mass killers to get themselves an AR15, 10rd+ mags, lots of ammo and draw a map of the planned event in advance - good job making tomorrow's killers fit the desired meme. This time the plot was interrupted when the subtle signs (a student saying he planned to kill others) were acted upon. It sounds like a search warrant was procured - must have been too much probably cause for a Red Flag ERPO? An arrest was made so due process will be followed.

This *might* have been a disruption of a mass killing done right by schools and law enforcement. *Might* as the mention of an adult arrested on the same charges, mention of an "unregistered" AR15 with SN, makes me wonder if the kid even had access to the firearm - it might have just been one of millions of firearms in CA owned by someone who didn't comply with CA's ever-encroaching gun laws. It the AR15 were registered, what good would that have served in this case?


Very interesting that there are so many "unregistered" AR rifles being found in California in spite of the state's attempts to disarm the people.

Personally, I think there are a lot of Californians that had a come to Jesus moment during the LA riots and understood what it is like to be defenseless when it is critically important.

The state loves saying they got another "dangerous" weapon out of the hands of a mass murderer. It's not the weapon...people make weapons work.
 
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