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Shooting on tape

Here is the Shooters post at AR15.com. I think the state was Ohio.

Originally Posted By excist_and_reflect:
Thanks for all the responses. My roomate is excist and reflect. I'd like to start out saying that it looks as though I am shooting close to the baby, but I am not. The camera angle makes it look as though the little girl is right there, but is a good deal away. Even if the mother didn't grab the baby, the shots wouldn't have come close I don't think, but if the baby was in the way, I just wouldn't have pulled the trigger. The second thing I'd like to say is that I didn't get up in the morning saying I would sure love to pop someone today. The robber chose the time and the place, I didn't ask for it. There are two types of people in this world, those who will take action and those that won't. I assessed the risk as fast as I could at that exact moment. A .45 long colt looks very menacing when your on the buisness end of it. I have been tought to meet force with force, and to open up quick and violently. Things may have played out differntly had my coworker not have been there. Maybe I would have tried to draw down, maybe I wouldn't have, or maybe I would have looked for another oppritunity to draw. I had to get behind her so he couldn't see what was going on. I brought my gun up on to target and was in the middle of yelling for him to drop the weapon when he jumped back and pullled the gun up. I ducked out of the way for a moment and popped back up firing when my weapon was on target.

As far as using the front sights, I did, using my flash sight picture. Now with shooting in the back, yes, he got nailed in the back, but the time from when my gun clears my holster to when he's laying on the ground is roughly 2.9 seconds. That doesn't give you a whole lot of time to think, but even so, if he didn't want to get shot, he should have put the weapon down. You don't make a sudden movement, especially with a gun in your hand in that type of situation. I feel confident in my skills as I shoot almost every weekend, I hold a CCW, and am also an NRA instructor for home firearm safety, basic pistol, and personal protection. No one knows how they are going to respond to a situation when they get thrust into it. I felt very threatend and did what I have been tought to do.

Whoever called B.S on excist and reflect not bieng my friend, here is a pic. I also have a profile on Gunsnet.net, I am Rooftop voter on there which this is posted at I guess too. We regularly use each others accounts since we use the same computer each of our profiles pops up, no real need to log out and then back in.

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Now as far as people bieng in the way and all that, I doubt you will ever get perfect conditions. You respond to situations as they come and make adjustments accordingly. If some crazy a**h*** opens fire in a mall, some of you with CCW may want to run, which is fine, it's a natural reaction and perfectly normal. I myself along with a few other would probably decide to take cover and stop the threat. I believe it is my job while armed to not only protect myself, but others that may be in harms way and that I believe I am in a position to help. Some of you may think that's the wrong way to think, which is also ok, but to each his own. I have to make my decisions as you may have to make yours, and nobody gets to make that decision for you.

By the way, the woman in the video was not pissed, actually just the opposite. She thanked me a whole lot, and so did my co worker. She also wrote me a long letter expressing her gratitude, and is now a firearm owner waiting to get a ccw. I was never charged with anything. The police, aswell as the prosecutors viewed this in a very positive light, especially with all the witness statements in my favor. The police tend to look at things more favorably when the person who gets hurt is a multiple felon in the middle of commiting a few more felonys.

As far as the musicand video goes, Excist did it for fun. For the person who said "are you somekind of badd ass" because of my crazy pic at the end, I say no, but I can hold my own. That pic was taken a while ago and we thought it would be funny to add. If you don't like it, I don't care.
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Pilgrim said:
No probs even though he shot the guy in the back?
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No from what the police officer told him once the BG presented the gun he was a threat to turn and shoot while he was leaving the building. The first officer on the scene even bought him a pack of cigarettes while he was being questioned.

I'll have to go look and find out what state it was.
 
I couldn't tell if the BG had a gun but I assumed he did. Bystander and baby were very close and I was impressed how the guy kept his head and moved into a clear firing lane. Not real impressed with bystander lacking common sense enough to hit the deck when bullets start flying.
 
"Well a dirtbag went down to Georgia,
He was lookin' for some shit to steal.

He was in a bind,
To buy a dime,
And don't give a damn on how you feel.

When he came across a redneck,
Working on his truck and makin' it hot.

When the dirtbag jumped from behind a stump,
And said, "Yo, lemme tell ya what!"

Now, you may not know it,
But I'm really bad dude,
And, if you move I'll Glock you fool,
'Cause I want them wheels from you!

The redneck said, "Well, my names' Tony and it might be a sin,
But I'll put a cap in your ass,
You piece O'trash,
'Cause I'm the greatest shot that's ever been!"

"Well,Tony draw your gun and aim those bullets true,
'Cause Hell's broke out in Georgia and the dirtbag is a fool.
When you win you'll have dinner at home tonight,
'Cause that dirtbag picked the wrong redneck to fiiiiiiggghhht!"

"Well, the dirtbag racked his slide and he said, "I'll start this show".
And bullets flew from his barrel tip, gangster style, ya know?
Then he yanked that trigger once again and it made an evil hiss,
And his band of homey's joined in and every damn one missed!"

And when they finished Tony said, "You ain't hit me once you bum,
Now, grab your nuts and hold on tight 'cause I'm about to have some fun!

"Fire in the hole now run boys run,
There ain't no way you can beat my gun.
Center mass holes now don't you know,
Once in the head just before I go."

"The dirtbag doubled over and he knew that he'd been beat,
All his homey's lay dead at Tony's feet.
Tony said, "Just stand on up if ya'll wanna go agin,
I done told you once you sonuvabitch I'm the best that's ever been!"

"Fire in the hole now run boys run,
Homey's on the ground with a setting sun.
'Bout to meet your Maker don't you know,
I have a good idea which way you'll go!"
 
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TonyD said:
"Well a dirtbag went down to Georgia,
He was lookin' for some shit to steal.

He was in a bind,
To buy a dime,
And don't give a damn on how you feel.

When he came across a redneck,
Working on his truck and makin' it hot.

When the dirtbag jump from behind a stump,
And said, "Yo, lemme tell ya what!"

Now, you may not know it,
But I'm really bad dude,
And, if you move I'll Glock you fool,
'Cause I want them wheels from you!

The redneck said, "Well, my names' Tony and it might be a sin,
But I'll put a cap in your ass,
You piece O'trash,
'Cause I'm the greatest shot that's ever been!"

"Well,Tony draw your gun and aim those bullets true,
'Cause Hell's broke out in Georgia and the dirtbag is a fool.
When you win you'll have dinner at home tonight,
'Cause that dirtbag picked the wrong redneck to fiiiiiiggghhht!"
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Outstanding! [smile]

Although "Tony" doesn't seem very redneck. [wink]

RJ
 
TonyD said:
I couldn't tell if the BG had a gun but I assumed he did. Bystander and baby were very close and I was impressed how the guy kept his head and moved into a clear firing lane. Not real impressed with bystander lacking common sense enough to hit the deck when bullets start flying.
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The gun was probably back in the holster and Police on thier way before she even relized what happend.

You can't fault Non-gunnies who maybe haven't even thought of the benefits of CCW and the 2nd ammedment to react in the best way.

-Weer'd Beard
 
By Standers

Don't depend on by-standers to react with anything even close to common sense. I have had suspects up against a vehicle handcuffing him and had people stop on the roadway and walk up to ask directions. More often than not while in the middle of a MV stop people would walk up to me to ask something. People do not react the way you think they should and never will. Some, will nearing panic can and will do the strangest things.

Be aware they whatever is said on the scene won't mean a thing. The Prosecutor's Office will review. Something very similar happened to one of our local police officers years back. The suspect had a weapon and fired while running. After two trials and years of hardships, the officer was finally cleared. Probably in a big part to his outstanding lawyer.[thinking]
 

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