Given the information we have seen, if you were the Marshal, would you have shot the crazy man who was reaching in to his bag of tricks?
ETA: I voted yes.![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
ETA: I voted yes.
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Shoot or No Shoot
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SnakeEye
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i voted yes, the damage radius for an explosive device is too large to risk making a wrong decision.
if he claimed he had a gun,which wasnt in his hand yet obviously, perhpas he could have stood him down until the point he reached into his bag. he then could have MAYBE made a non lethal shot to try and disarm him.
but theres no safety margin for the marshall in a breezway with a man seeming to be reaching into a bag to detonate what he claims in an explosive device.
ITS GOOD!
if he claimed he had a gun,which wasnt in his hand yet obviously, perhpas he could have stood him down until the point he reached into his bag. he then could have MAYBE made a non lethal shot to try and disarm him.
but theres no safety margin for the marshall in a breezway with a man seeming to be reaching into a bag to detonate what he claims in an explosive device.
ITS GOOD!
YES - any one with a brain would.
And discount the woman screaming, ' he's bipolar'.
That's a perfect diversion for a two man team of terrorists to try.
If he's shot, the libs and press say "Why did they shoot the poor man?"
If he wasn't shot, the libs and the press would say "Why didn't they shoot the man, he said he had a bomb!"
And discount the woman screaming, ' he's bipolar'.
That's a perfect diversion for a two man team of terrorists to try.
If he's shot, the libs and press say "Why did they shoot the poor man?"
If he wasn't shot, the libs and the press would say "Why didn't they shoot the man, he said he had a bomb!"
Heck, yeah. The chance he would blow something up,plus you don't know what he was reaching for. He wouldn't comply. The Marshal did the right thing.
Crazy, slow or stupid. If you are a major threat to innocent people in situation like this, you must be stopped with whatever force is necessary to insure the safety of the public.
Yup, good shoot.
From the info I've been reading they ordered him down but he kept approaching with a backpack over his chest, not his back. They ordered him down again and he just kept coming, then he reached into the bag and they dropped him. Totally acceptable. Good decision making on their part.
From the info I've been reading they ordered him down but he kept approaching with a backpack over his chest, not his back. They ordered him down again and he just kept coming, then he reached into the bag and they dropped him. Totally acceptable. Good decision making on their part.
I work with people who are MI everyday. The decision to shoot was correct. In addition the individual was responsible for adhering to his meds.,no one else.
I like how the media is trying to spin it to get sympathy though because he was mental. [roll]
Based on the information avaialable, there's absolutely no question. One guy who claims to have a bomb, evades capture and then reaches for the purported bomb, versus the possibility of dozens of innocent men, women and children killed and mained. I feel sorry that the poor sick guy is dead, but that was the only sane choice he left anyone.
Ken
Ken
I would not have hesitated to eliminate the threat. That is the job description. Thats what I would have been there to do.
The man did not obey the commands of an LEO. There was no other choice at that very second.
The man did not obey the commands of an LEO. There was no other choice at that very second.
That is surprising. I was amused at how they were trying to spin it and get sympathy.
if you have a mental disease you should either controll it with medication, or BE controled by a trained Handler.
because this fool was off his meds and in a public place (let alone one with heavy security and rules) does not make him exempt from taking responcibility for his actions.
there are pleanty of people with mental illness in this world who don't cause such problems
-Weer'd Beard
because this fool was off his meds and in a public place (let alone one with heavy security and rules) does not make him exempt from taking responcibility for his actions.
there are pleanty of people with mental illness in this world who don't cause such problems
-Weer'd Beard
derek said:
and to take him on an international flight!!???
I'm glad I have a better wife than that!
Arrrr
-Weer'd Beard
I jumped in earlier with my opinion, with the qualifier "based on the information avaialable". Well, as in all cases that rely on the media, that once again seems to be a rather large qualification.
It now seems that numerous people on the flight (from all parts of the passenger cabin) report that as they never heard the man utter a single word, much less a bomb threat, as he ran from the plane. The Air Marshals also have scaled back their preliminary statement from a categorical claim that he shouted that there was a bomb in the bag to a rather cautiously worded claim that he "uttered threatening words that included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb". Maybe it's just the bureaucrats' complete inability to form simple, declarative sentences in English that's behind the problem, but it would be nice if the shooters weren't the only people who seem to have heard the purported bomb threat.
Ken
It now seems that numerous people on the flight (from all parts of the passenger cabin) report that as they never heard the man utter a single word, much less a bomb threat, as he ran from the plane. The Air Marshals also have scaled back their preliminary statement from a categorical claim that he shouted that there was a bomb in the bag to a rather cautiously worded claim that he "uttered threatening words that included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb". Maybe it's just the bureaucrats' complete inability to form simple, declarative sentences in English that's behind the problem, but it would be nice if the shooters weren't the only people who seem to have heard the purported bomb threat.
Ken
