Senate Votes to Allow FBI View Your Web Browsing History Without Warrant

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Apparently this is sort of fake news.

The Senate vote was to repeal the ability to track your history, and it failed. It's not a new ability voted in. It's already in the Patriot Act, the Senate was trying to remove it.

And the FBI still needs court approval that the request is related to counterterrorism, to get your internet history.

Ah, well, that makes it all better. We certainly can trust the FBI, and all extensions of our government, to follow the rules, have good intentions and only do the right thing.

It's always worth noting where the information is coming from. USAToday is going to put things in the most positive liberal light they can.
From the article. Note that this Robert Chesney they are quoting and believing is a college professor, a vocation not known for people with conservative views.
Section 215 allows government investigators to obtain internet browsing history or search queries, but there are limitations, Chesney said. For an American, the power may be used only to obtain web history related to a counterterrorism or counterintelligence investigation.
 

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Chances are that all VPNs do is make the government use parallel construction for anything it finds in a browsing history and wants to use against someone. Remember, this is the same govt that sold compromised crypto equipment (though a Swiss company covely owned by the three letter boys) to virtually all foreign powers except Russia and China for decades.
 
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Chances are that all VPNs do is make the government use parallel construction for anything it finds in a browsing history and wants to use against someone. Remember, this is the same govt that sold compromised crypto equipment (though a Swiss company covely owned by the three letter boys) to virtually all foreign powers except Russia and China for decades.
Crypto AG ...:mad:

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Ah, well, that makes it all better. We certainly can trust the FBI, and all extensions of our government, to follow the rules, have good intentions and only do the right thing.

It's always worth noting where the information is coming from. USAToday is going to put things in the most positive liberal light they can.
From the article. Note that this Robert Chesney they are quoting and believing is a college professor, a vocation not known for people with conservative views.
You missed the point. The Patriot Act allowed this 20 years ago. Nothing changed on May 14. Almost 2/3rd of the Senate tried to remove it and failed.
 

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I see the issue again being government.
Yes, but the real issue is the failure of all of us citizens to hold these bags of shit accountable.......

Want a perfect example?

Look at folks here that still defend SuNoNoNo despite a total absense of leadership/good decisions and his trampling of the constitution

Instead of folks working to replace him they wring their hands and try to make excuses why they should vote for him again.....(aka feltes or volinski would be WORSE)

"We" broadly are the problem
 

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Yes, but the real issue is the failure of all of us citizens to hold these bags of shit accountable.......

Want a perfect example?

Look at folks here that still defend SuNoNoNo despite a total absense of leadership/good decisions and his trampling of the constitution

Instead of folks working to replace him they wring their hands and try to make excuses why they should vote for him again.....(aka feltes or volinski would be WORSE)

"We" broadly are the problem
I don't even know if the votes in Massachusetts are legit. Wouldn't surprise me if they're rigged.

People are stupid for sure, but many elections are a choice of two sides of the same coin.
 

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Apparently this is sort of fake news.

The Senate vote was to repeal the ability to track your history, and it failed. It's not a new ability voted in. It's already in the Patriot Act, the Senate was trying to remove it.

And the FBI still needs court approval that the request is related to counterterrorism, to get your internet history.

Or they just ping nsa.
 
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Tinfoil talk for awhile has been that Obama had a surveillance system on citizens that if uncovered will be shocking. Human snitches on the order of old school communism where one in four supposedly were informants. Obviously there was a bunch and they pushed it beyond what the patriot act allowed to what extent I don't know rather than spiral about this shit I wait to see what happens. Funny thing is they had the full power of the intelligence community pointed at Trump and he still won. All the propaganda says we are supposed to be afraid of these dorks. Lolz
 

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I don't make the distinction. Don't care if the government collects it directly, or has Google, Facebook, and co do it for them. Either way - they get the info. Which is precisely why these companies are no more trustworthy with the info then the government.
If this government, which has shown willingness to use any agency to punish whomever opposes it, demands companies give up your data, you think they can say no?

The government is out of control. In response we should blame companies for not standing up to it?

We can agree to disagree.
 

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If this government, which has shown willingness to use any agency to punish whomever opposes it, demands companies give up your data, you think they can say no?

The government is out of control. In response we should blame companies for not standing up to it?

We can agree to disagree.
There's nothing to give up if they dont store it......thats the point of most of the VPN companies.....they DONT store your history
 

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There's nothing to give up if they dont store it......thats the point of most of the VPN companies.....they DONT store your history
Yeah we're talking about Google, Facebook etc.

Speaking of which, whistleblower says Apple continues to record your conversations without your consent or activation of Siri.

Where's the FBI when you need them?

 
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Yeah we're talking about Google, Facebook etc.

Speaking of which, whistleblower says Apple continues to record your conversations without your consent or activation of Siri.

Where's the FBI when you need them?

If you've purchased a "smart" TV in the last couple years that integrates with google or has voice command capabilities then you can be sure the same thing is happening on that device
 
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There's nothing to give up if they dont store it......thats the point of most of the VPN companies.....they DONT store your history
I don't think any of the VPN companies are safe. There's no way of knowing who set up the equipment, who maintains it, and who has access to it. I bet every VPN company has at least one engineer who gets an engineer's salary PLUS a government salary.

The only good VPN is a third-generation onion router, WHILE using perfect forward secrecy.
 

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I don't think any of the VPN companies are safe. There's no way of knowing who set up the equipment, who maintains it, and who has access to it. I bet every VPN company has at least one engineer who gets an engineer's salary PLUS a government salary.

The only good VPN is a third-generation onion router, WHILE using perfect forward secrecy.
Its pretty easy to know.....thats what change management/audits are all about

At the end of the day if you're a target of some gov entity with near unlimited funds you're almost certainly going to be owned

Who's willing to rebuild a computer every time they go to use it on the web.....you could do it with VM's and a linux image

Most peoples internet habits/hygene is atrocious
 
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Its pretty easy to know.....thats what change management/audits are all about

At the end of the day if you're a target of some gov entity with near unlimited funds you're almost certainly going to be owned
I wish I had a dollar for every time I found the source of a 'leak' and hadn't been able to find overlapping change authorizations. It's almost like its trivial to hide a few lines of code in an ISP.
 

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I wish I had a dollar for every time I found the source of a 'leak' and hadn't been able to find overlapping change authorizations. It's almost like its trivial to hide a few lines of code in an ISP.
I'm sure it happens but thats why big companies have SOC's and do serious monitoring/correlation of events and traffic
 
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One time I had a client that was using github to manage this IDS/IPS system's code. One of their engineers stole the private keys to the repo and trojanized it there. We didn't even find out about it until 3 years later when he got fired and then tried to exfiltrate a bunch of (redacted)
 

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watching porn is a normal and natural thing, right? damn government will probably tax it anyway.
 
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