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SecDef Mattis Gone

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  1. GM-GUY

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    SecDef Mattis was, is and will continue to be a great General and public servant. He knows the place of the Cabinet, to support and further the goals of the President. When those goals differ from theirs they can stay on in a half hearted way or depart - he picked the honorable way.

    I wish him the best and I hope Trump finds someone as qualified to take the post - but it will be tough.
     

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    People who served under him and those that have interacted with him would disagree with your assessment. I remember “news outlets” trashing violent statements and speeches he made while commanding Marines trying to throw dirt on his name, people who don’t understand the environment he and his Marines operate in.

    He is a highly respected Marine. Even Trump isn’t trashing him on the way out which he has done with pretty much everyone else on his cabinet that has left or been forced out. Will he be replaced with a capable replacement? Maybe, but that doesn’t diminish what he has done. Funny nobody was questioning his status prior to him announcing his resignation.
     
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    I questioned him before this and I'll do so after.

    Mattis supports the occupation of Syria and Afghanistan. Those things are impossible. He may be exceptional but he clearly lacks in other areas.

    There's no doubt. Some other politically connected flag officer will replace him and that officer will hold the same cliche views as the last. We must beat ISIS, the Taliban, Iran, Yemen, the Saudis, I mean wait not them.

    The end will result in pain, suffering, and money being made for the right people. The exact same outcome.
     
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    Sometimes we tend not to see a tree when flying over the entire forest. [wave]

    I was on the other side during this conflict. I did cover some of my experiences here already, but I can assure you that the entire Warsaw Pact was heavily involved and there was no way in hell Americans would win that one. Why?
    1. Soviet Union was running extremely effective propaganda targeting professors and colleges in the United States. The goal was to switch the public opinion. This was a well funded operation which started in early 1950's.
    2. North Vietnam sent their young people to be trained in the Warsaw Pack countries. They went back with "green men" and equipment they actually manufactured during their stay in Eastern Europe. This program continued also after the war when Vietnam was sending young people to labor in Eastern Europe in exchange for technology and weapons. Even today Eastern European countries have Vietnamese minorities from those times. CIA and American military underestimated this program and treated Vietnam just like they treated Afghanistan later on. You pay for being arrogant and not observant.
    3. USA was not prepared to start war with China.
    4. Taking young American men and dropping them into a completely different environments is a craziness. This is why Vietnam and Afghanistan started with Special Forces only, but very soon troops with limited training were sent there.
    5. As I said earlier, we have put our money on the wrong horse in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Syria.
     
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    You'll enjoy this movie if you haven't already seen it.

     
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    THIS!

    The problem in today's world is what to do with what you have just "won". Nobody can handle it. Even Russians have a problem with their countries they have on their own leash. After WW1 we were grooming New Europe so it can quickly run towards Hitler with no prejudice. After WW2 we were pleasing Uncle Stalin hoping to groom him while he was grooming half of Europe and many other areas in the world. Thus we created a defense for lazy Europeans who suddenly have some of their own money to spend on building socialism idiots like Bernie want to import here now.
     
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    There is more to life than one Vietnam, my friend. Just to let you know, I also trained Cubans, Afghani, South Americans .......and Americans! I was in the communist Air Force and I escaped during the Soviet War in Afghanistan. I was in the refugee camp and then I arrived here.
    If our politicians would listen to people like me we would never be in Vietnam or Afghanistan. I am not a veteran, I am a dog not approved for adoption! [cheers]

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    We've had troops for decades in worse places and for less profit.
     
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    You sir are showing a high level of NES ignorance. Get to know your fellow members better...
     
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    Your late to the show. What I do know, is what he himself, has written here. If that displeases you, perhaps you could get him to rewrite, to suit you. My position stands, without ignorance, based on what he wrote. Let me add, that your opinion, of what I do, or do not know, is totally irrelevant.
     
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    We are very old and it is getting late again. Let's end it, I respect your opinion. I just think that maybe there were many things which escaped your attention back then, just like they escaped my attention. I have no hard feelings!

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    20 years from now nobody will remember who Mattis was. He had the opportunity to reach Patton or McArthur levels but he has unpleasantly declined.

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    The war’s over. Even when it was hot, it wasn’t being fought (by either side) by people who necessarily wanted to be there.
     
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    Yes, it's been over for decades. I think that many peoples reasons for fighting changed, once they had been there, for a while. In the end, I believe that many fought, for the sole purpose of living long enough to rotate home.
     
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    Nice try, Vlad!

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    Anyway, both superpowers, Soviet Union/Russia and America, did not win anything major from the end of WW2, but their shakes raised tsunamis of refugees. That was a job well done! We f-ed you up so come and live with us. Nobody knew where Vietnam was but now every European country, Russia and America have all Vietnamese communities. These communities do not feel like integrating because there is no need for that, actually, staying away from integration has it's own benefits. Who wants to be integrated into drug infested "community" which is voting liberals in every elections?

    Our world has changed while we were napping under Obama's tranquilizers. Keeping our troops anywhere outside of the United States is a luxury we can't support anymore. Bitching about Russia and China, esp. when we owe $ to China, is like trying to buy booze with food stamps.

    We can't agree on one stupid wall but we think we should solve Syria, Iran and show finger to China.
     
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    Mattis resigning is a boost to trump

    He campaigned on ending the endless occupations/irrational invasions and to protect our own borders.....he's doing that.

    If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem......Mattis is a class act and resigned in the most respectful/classiest manner I can recall in my lifetime.

    I have nothing but respect for the guy but we've been circling the drain fighting foreign wars in places/against people that pose no existential threat to us for 40 plus years all while ignoring the real threat of criminals/gangs and terrorists endlessly streaming across our open borders.......Dems and establishment progressive republicans are complicit and part of the problem.

    Trump is the first president in my lifetime that has focused on keeping campaign promises made to the people that elected him instead of catering to the ruling class/big business via cronyism AT OUR EXPENSE.......progressive voters and nevertrumpers/rino voters are little more than "Useful Idiots" that are unable to do anything but focus upon anything but the media narrative/attempt to paint trump as a bad man.......all while ignoring/refusing to cover trumps actions and accomplishments that demonstrate the opposite......that trump is doing things/pursueing policies that benefit everyone....most of all the poor/common worker in the US

    this is the main point of mueller/fake news media.......they are focused on criminalizing trump for percieved political sins/making him look like a bad person while ignoring all the good things hes done
     
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    The red flag to me that it was all bullshit - was that when everybody was yelling and screaming about the ' War on Terror! ® ' , nobody seemed to give two shits about the border - and people like George Bush came right out and said it.

    In WW2 the government at least made a show about "coastal defences" - even if it was all just song and dance (coastal defences in WW2 were probably a concept 50 years behind the times).

    These days - when they fill the airwaves and the print media with story after story about how we've got terrorists running around everywhere - and therefore we need a Patriot Act to see how much you crapped out last night , they still won't even entertain the idea of actually defending that border all those terrorists sneak over.

    We can send pallets of money over to Iraq - which promptly disappear into the ether. We can fund countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel to the tune of billions of dollars - and we can even fund WALLS in Israel, but we can't fund one here.

    Like Pat Buchanan has said recently "We're not a serious country any more".

    And the absolute WORST part is (IMHO) - there's a LOT of people who simply haven't got any moral or logical compass to see thru all this crap. Think back just a few years ago - and it seemed like half of NES was worried about some sort of ISIS invasion. Like they were cruising Bear bombers off the New England coast - the subs were spotted in the Grand Banks - and some massive Spanish Armada had been spotted departing from Libya. The actual retardation that it takes to get all worried about some of this shit is almost beyond comprehension to me. But yet we seem to be there.

    It's why I really do think the only way any of this gets "solved" is thru blood and fire. Which depresses me a bit because I've got a newborn sleeping in the other room. But then I remember the words a good friend of mine said to me a couple of years back when we were talking about shit like this: " I've done my part , I've written endlessly about this stuff - petitioned politicians, gone to the State House , spend my money - and it doesn't seem to make a difference. Any good thing I do is outweighed the retards flooding in left and right - so when the time comes and shit starts burning - I'm out of here. They can all go phuck themselves - as far as I'm concerned everybody was warned and had their chances - now they can suffer thru the shitstorm of their own making"
     
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    We are experiencing a transition stage. We are still very nice to each other because there is nothing horrible upon us (there is, but we do not recognize it yet). We are like Polish Armia Krajowa making sure they have enough horses while Soviets and Nazis are cutting their country apart somewhere at the table in Berlin. We can't imagine chaos because this country never experienced one. Once chaos will reach us, all the $ht will be floating on the top of the flood. We know riots, hurricanes, natural disasters, but we do not know what to do with the evil elected by others. What worries me a lot is the simple fact that we are easy to find. That is a huge disadvantage! We are not only registered, we are more than that! We are fully cataloged. All my experience, and pardon my "abused wife syndrome" for a minute, tells me that this is one of the worst scenarios that exist. Those, who has registered in a good faith and those who followed obscure rules forced upon them by ELECTIONS, were always the first to go!

    Politicians failed us. Technology and science did not! Bush, instead of getting Osama, our ex-friend, felt giddy and announced The War On Terror to replace so called Cold War. We, just like in Vietnam, paraded the technology and pulverized rock formations in far away places. We actually do not know exactly what was going on in stans or Iraq. It will take 50 years for historians to tell us. We only know what was presented to us by politicians; Mission Accomplished in Iraq, Mission Accomplished in Syria and Mission Accomplished in Afghanistan. The fact that ISIS is building it's bases in the former Soviet Republics should not concern us, because if we will pretend long enough that they do not exist, Putin may somehow get rid of them on his own one day.

    Mattis made a mistake by trusting NATO. You can't trust NATO when European politicians are attacking us and Our President like bunch of rabid dogs. Mattis was against China and Russia. We can't afford such a stand! He should have been smarter and recall what has happened to General Patton. Mattis purchased technology. But technology will not win anything for us when our borders are open and our liberals anti-American.

    Each one of us has to evaluate his/her own personal situation and prepare plan B. I keep posting on NES because I do not believe in "dying in the pile of brass" anymore. Such luxury will be denied to us!
     
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    Mad poodle out by Jan 1. Trump just fired him before his Feb 28 resignation. Good. Wonder what kind of neoclown shenanigans he had planned for those two months.
     
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    good. The LAST thing our president needs is disloyal cabinet members bitching while Nancy and Chuck are shooting arrows into the white house.

    Mattis, don't let the door hit your azz on the way out
     
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    I closed this thread temporarily so I could clean it up.

    No more personal attacks. I will open it again now, but not for long if you guys keep at each other.
     
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    I thought it was Russia and the US competing over who gets to put in a pipeline.



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    Don't forget that the Russian Navy runs out of Syria. That's a big one for them.

    Russia has a lot of reasons to be interested in Asaad staying in Syria. I honestly can't think of any that the US would have to push Asaad out besides just being a dick to Russia.

    What's there to gain by pushing Asaad out? Serious question. Can anyone explain that?
     

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