lowbuckbob
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Ridiculous...but, just send your stepson the money?
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We will be there next weekend, I have cash in hand for him. Just an annoyance at this point.Ridiculous...but, just send your stepson the money?
This is ridiculous. Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, but a straw purchase is when one individual buys a firearm for another individual who is prohibited from legally purchasing one for himself.
Wrong, pls try again. That's only ONE prong of a possible straw. If you really want your head to spin read the Abramski supreme court decision, or just read up on the case. None of the people involved were prohibited. Probably one of the worst decisions since Kelo, for obvious reasons.
-Mike
This is ridiculous. Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, but a straw purchase is when one individual buys a firearm for another individual who is prohibited from legally purchasing one for himself. Such as I'm approached by a guy who says hes a felon but needs a pistol and he'll sweeten the deal by going $100 over if I help him out. I buy the pistol for the guy, take the $100 and we're on our separate ways. THATS a straw purchase.
I've heard so much blasphemy about straw purchases that it makes my head spin, its like people trying to out-do each others idiocy. Can I buy my son a rifle for Christmas? Say I see a gun I cant pass up but I'm a little short on cash. Can I borrow $50 from my buddy who's there with me?
I was in FS one day buying something and there was a couple in there buy a gun each and they both had LTC and both did all the paper work them self and where both approved.
The guy wanted to pay for both and they said no it's a straw sale if they were married it would have been ok by because there not they have to pay for them on there own or the guy could buy a gift certificate and give her the gift certificate to pay for her gun and that was ok to do.
What the he'll is the diffrance cash plastic or paper any which why he was paying for it.
And I have been in place so many time and FS & CG both now me that I have went in paid for guns and had my wife pick them up but any way I guess it's like every thing else in the world it's not what you know it's who you blow I mean know.
Since when did the definition of a straw purchase change? Or an I just ignorant and I've been wrong this whole time? I could fathom a straw purchase being someone buying a gun solely intended for another person, in that the original buyer bought it with the intent of never owning it himself, but then again, whats to say that you can't buy a firearm for someone. Either way, I'll read up on the case you cited.
Straw purchase law has nothing to do with the strawee being a PP or not.
Here's one for you. Guy wants a Crickett rifle for his grandson. Gets delayed. "Oh, I'll just have my son buy it for him."
Straw purchase or not? Bear in mind this is a friggin' CRICKETT - kid's single shot .22.
What did I do in that case?
Stepson lives in NC. Tweakers just moved in down the street from him. He decided he needs a firearm for his wife to have on hand just in case.
He was out looking, found something they liked (a Smith and Wesson 6906), I said I would pay for it as a gift for their birthdays (3 days apart)
He called me from the shop to tell me the price, and the shop keeper told my stepson that if I gave him money for a firearm it was a straw purchase, even if stepson fills out the paperwork, keeps it for his household, etc. Because it was my money, that makes it a straw purchase.
I am 99% sure the clerk was full of it, but with the alphabet soup agencies making stuff up as they go along, I am just looking for an NES sanity check.
Thanks!
One thing that gun buyers have learned over the years is NEVER whip out the cell phone in the middle of a gun purchase. Not even to ask someone their opinion of the gun your planning to buy. Gun shops get very squirly due to straw purchase laws and definitely play it on the safe side.Since when did the definition of a straw purchase change? Or an I just ignorant and I've been wrong this whole time? I could fathom a straw purchase being someone buying a gun solely intended for another person, in that the original buyer bought it with the intent of never owning it himself, but then again, whats to say that you can't buy a firearm for someone. Either way, I'll read up on the case you cited.
OK, I read up on your referenced case. I'll play devils advocate here and say I can "see" where they are coming from, though I don't agree with it. The question "are you the intended buyer" and "Purchasing on behalf of another individual" I think someone sending you a check with "Glock 19" written in the memo line clearly indicates a purchase on behalf of another individual. Now again, I don't agree with it at all and find it a horrible decision, I'm just trying to see all sides here, right or wrong.
In my original response to this thread, I was more indicating that buying a firearm for someone as a gift is not a straw purchase. Either way it was taken, I appreciate your input and I learned something, so win win.
All good points on being an fflWalk just a few feet in an FFL's shoes and you'll find it's not a easy as it looks.
It's not paranoia when they really are out to get you.
F up just once and it's gone , your livelihood , your means of supporting your family , poof , just like that.
IF your lucky and that's all that happens and you don't have to burn through whatever you had saved with no way to replace it on lawyer fees.
The old man and I had someone who we were 99% sure was an agent trying to run a sting on us.
Inquiring about maybe trying to do a purchase "Off the books " .
The response was GTFO.
Best advise is move on a take it as a learning experience of what not to do in a gun store.
So your mom was able to buy the gun right then and there? Just not with your credit card?I went through the same thing when I took my mom shopping for a gun. She wanted a small revolver that would work with her arthritic hands. The sales person was with us and clearly knew it was for her. When I told him I would buy it as a gift for her he threw out the "Straw Purchase No Deal" rules. He even stated he knew it was for her but couldn't do it. So she put it on her CC and I sent her a check.
I guess I do not know what a straw purchase is. If I as a licensed person buys a gun and transfers that gun to another person who can legally own/posess/purchase it how is that a straw purchase?
It is the same freakin thing if I buy a gun today and a year later do a legal transfer to another licensed person or to one who can legally own/posess/purchase.
I was under the impression that a straw purchase was a licensed person or someone who could legally own/posess/purchase a firearm intentionally buying it for someone who was not legally allowed to own/posess/purchase that firearm.
So your mom was able to buy the gun right then and there? Just not with your credit card?
If it's a surprise gift......go alone......keep quiet that the gun is a gift for someone.....buy it with you filling out the forms......then fill out an efa10 later on (for mass residents).So how would you buy a surprise gift for a spouse or significant other, assuming they are properly licensed? Same thing - just “reimburse” them?
Since when did the definition of a straw purchase change? Or an I just ignorant and I've been wrong this whole time? I could fathom a straw purchase being someone buying a gun solely intended for another person, in that the original buyer bought it with the intent of never owning it himself, but then again, whats to say that you can't buy a firearm for someone. Either way, I'll read up on the case you cited.
OK, I read up on your referenced case. I'll play devils advocate here and say I can "see" where they are coming from, though I don't agree with it. The question "are you the intended buyer" and "Purchasing on behalf of another individual" I think someone sending you a check with "Glock 19" written in the memo line clearly indicates a purchase on behalf of another individual. Now again, I don't agree with it at all and find it a horrible decision, I'm just trying to see all sides here, right or wrong.
In my original response to this thread, I was more indicating that buying a firearm for someone as a gift is not a straw purchase. Either way it was taken, I appreciate your input and I learned something, so win win.