Russia rounding up illegal guns

[News Shooter]

Russia seizes 400,000 weapons in 10 months

MOSCOW, Nov. 28 (UPI) -- Russian law enforcement agents have seized some 400,000 illegal weapons and ammunition in the first 10 months of the year, the Interior Ministry said Tuesday.

Alexei Savin, a deputy head of the Criminal Investigation Department at the Interior Ministry, told reporters in Moscow from the beginning of January through the end of October, police conducted 56 sting operations and seized more than 7,500 small arms, 308 hand grenades and landmines, more than 250 pounds of explosives, and more than 73,000 rounds of ammunition.

He said while many of the seizures were made in military conflict zones, there were also 199,000 small arms, including 69,000 rifle-bore weapons, listed as missing from legal arms manufacturers' stocks.

Elsewhere, the Novosti news agency quoted local police in the southern Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi as saying they had arrested five people Tuesday and seized four shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles.

 

[Dan S]

They probably all came from Maine, New Hampshire and Georgia gun shows!!

 

[FPrice]

Why can the Russians find these but Bloomberg and Menino can't?

 

[Arioch]

There's an old saying in the Ukrain about the reason the peasants poor oil on to the flower beds arounf their houses. It keeps the weapons from rusting.

 

[JonJ]

We're witnessing the rebirth of the USSR.

 

[adweisbe]

We're witnessing the rebirth of the USSR.

Here or there? [sad2]

 

[JonJ]

Here or there? [sad2]

Good point but it'll be there first with any luck

 

[Jose]

there were also 199,000 small arms, including 69,000 rifle-bore weapons, listed as missing from legal arms manufacturers' stocks.

Elsewhere, the Novosti news agency quoted local police in the southern Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi as saying they had arrested five people Tuesday and seized four shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles.

I don't know about you guys predicting the second coming of Josef Stalin, but I, for one, am glad Russian cops recovered 69,000 rifles STOLEN from Russian arms makers.

And how about them SA-7s? Wanna bet those were legally owned?

Come on guys, not everything is a gun-banner's conspiracy.

 

[SKS Ray]

Maybe they can export some of the stuff recovered for the sake of us military surplus collectors here in the states.
I know, fat chance but wouldn't a batch of Russian AK receivers come in handy right about now?!?

 

[drgrant]

I don't know about you guys predicting the second coming of Josef Stalin, but I, for one, am glad Russian cops recovered 69,000 rifles STOLEN from Russian arms makers.

Whaddya mean "stolen?" If you think they managed to steal 69,000 guns
without anyone noticing it, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell
you. Most of that stuff goes out the back door and some hard cash goes
into the pockets of someone important that works at one of those
factories. "Stolen" in that regard is pretty subjective. I'd also venture
a fair guess that some of those recovered guns will magically disappear from
the evidence lockers as well. The corruption in russia and the old eastern
bloc nations makes MA look "orderly" in comparison.

And who really cares about a few AK's going out the back door? I'm more
worried about missing nuclear weapons, where even ONE of those can
cause a huge problem compared to a few loose rifles.

IMO this is the pot calling the kettle black.... Russia is currently protecting
Victor Bout, who's basically a renowned smuggler of small arms. They
have very little license to whine about "illegal guns" when they're protecting
one of the foremost smugglers of said "illegal guns". Personally I think
if the US and Russia is going to protect and use arms smugglers (which both
nations have done with great frequency, I might add) we should just do
away with the BS and remove this feel-good notional of "illegal guns".

-Mike

 

[Jose]

Mike, regardless of how the guns left the factory, the fact remains they were not sold legally at retail. That makes them a legitimate matter for law enforcement to pursue.

I don't see how anyone is "the pot calling the kettle black". I didn't see any mention of blame towards any other country on the Russians' part. Did you?

Maybe, just maybe, there are some straight cops in the Rodina, after all.

 

[drgrant]

Mike, regardless of how the guns left the factory, the fact remains they were not sold legally at retail. That makes them a legitimate matter for law enforcement to pursue.

All I can say is that a flag of skepticism just goes up when someone
says that 200,000 guns were "stolen" from factories. You
don't "steal" that many guns without it being an inside job, or even, to
some extent, without someone in government knowing about it. That's a
lot of 20 ft sea containers worth of guns. This isn't some guy at the
factory who throws a crate of AKs in his trunk on his way home from
work.

And the term "legitimate" in russia is pretty subjective. Somehow a
guy with a forged end user permit is "legitimate" but the guy that decided
to go "factory direct" is not? I find that pretty amusing. (FWIW, the
authorities there never investigate the former occurence, even though
everyone knows it occurs with great frequency in russia and other
eastern bloc countries).

I don't see how anyone is "the pot calling the kettle black". I didn't see any mention of blame towards any other country on the Russians' part. Did you?

No, but their law enforcment is acting pious in terms of confiscating weapons,
when they're one of the biggest sources of "illegal" arms sales on the planet.
It's the equivalent of saying you're "tough on drugs" when you have entire
operations set up in country pumping out cocaine and selling it to anyone
who has the money.

Maybe, just maybe, there are some straight cops in the Rodina, after all.

Maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

-Mike

 

[Lynne]

They probably all came from Maine, New Hampshire and Georgia gun shows!!

Don't forget Virginia. They blame all of DC's murders on the VA guns.

 

[Dan S]

Don't forget Virginia. They blame all of DC's murders on the VA guns.

Lynne,
I was only refering to our local politicians!

 

[JuergenG]

Wait, till they find out that a bunch of nukes is missing