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maybe we should just make the "no guns allowed" signs bigger.
I suspect that most criminals dont see them while entering gun free zones.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/24/ron-paul-rips-nra-plan-for-officers-in-every-school/
RP has legitimate points. However nothing like criticizing a plan without putting forth a solution of your own.
My bet is RP's concerne is that authorities would take their suggestion and basically go full retard with it. Instead of simply throwing a LEO or two in every school, some areas would go full retard on the idea and use it as an invitation to add metal detectors, etc, etc, ad nauseam. I don't think his fears are entirely unwarranted, but on the other hand many public schools are already like prisons, minus the actual hard security of a real prison.
-Mike
Cue Jose to talk about the real world outside of Massachusets...have you been outside of your house? Or your corner of New Hampshire? Because it doesn't sound like you have.
Then that narrows your location down to Fuddville, Moonbatistan.I have talked to plenty of casual 2A supporters... strangers to me.... who believe in some sort of action right now.
definitely a lot quieter on the other side of the iron curtain.Cue Jose to talk about the real world outside of Massachusets...
At the moment, I'm not in my little corner of NH. I actually spend very little time at home with my wife and kids, because I'm working in Texas, and travelling back and forth, including Arkansas, Missouri, sometimes Deroit, and, yes, even Boston.
I do not hear or see the general public in an uproar to "do something!"
Cue Jose to talk about the real world outside of Massachusets...
At the moment, I'm not in my little corner of NH. I actually spend very little time at home with my wife and kids, because I'm working in Texas, and travelling back and forth, including Arkansas, Missouri, sometimes Deroit, and, yes, even Boston.
I do not hear or see the general public in an uproar to "do something!"
Then that narrows your location down to Fuddville, Moonbatistan.
Seriously, get out of your mom's basement. While a good chunk of the general public might casually agree with doing something, if you bring it up, they're not marching on Washington to make it happen. It's just not a priority.
You think that's where I heard that? Somewhere in fuddsville MA? I just spent a few weeks down in florida where I heard this talk. Surprised the hell out of me. It was the same story with each large group of people I conversed about this with: "I'm pro gun, but we gotta do something about this." If it wasn't for people talking about getting rid of assault rifles or large magazines, it was talking about putting cops in schools.
NO. You are a minority. Get that through your ****ing head. John Q Public is not like NES: I want arms like the government troops or GTFO. "This is an isolated incident- don't freak out, we'll play things out. Rational. Cool and collected.... NO. If you think Jose has a grip on the general public, you're an idiot. Sorry buddy. You're sounding more like a little mindless minion of his than anything. Get. A. Grip.
John Q Public is Dumb. Average. They feed into media. They get into that shit. They have no filter. They react first then think.
I want the public to think like you and your lord Jose. It's how I think. But if you honestly think that the public doesn't care about a bunch of kids getting murdered in cold blood, to the point of not wanting some sort of action, then you are a ****ing idiot.
There is no march on DC right now. There is no angry mob. But if you think that people aren't taking notice and don't want action on this, then you are ****ing dense.
RP is alienating those people. And he needs those votes in order to matter in this political system. This is NOT helping. And if you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Sorry, maybe?
...then you don't know much about the demographics of Florida!You think that's where I heard that? Somewhere in fuddsville MA? I just spent a few weeks down in florida where I heard this talk. Surprised the hell out of me.
...then you don't know much about the demographics of Florida!
You think that's where I heard that? Somewhere in fuddsville MA? I just spent a few weeks down in florida where I heard this talk. Surprised the hell out of me. It was the same story with each large group of people I conversed about this with: "I'm pro gun, but we gotta do something about this." If it wasn't for people talking about getting rid of assault rifles or large magazines, it was talking about putting cops in schools.
NO. You are a minority. Get that through your ****ing head. John Q Public is not like NES: I want arms like the government troops or GTFO. "This is an isolated incident- don't freak out, we'll play things out. Rational. Cool and collected.... NO. If you think Jose has a grip on the general public, you're an idiot. Sorry buddy. You're sounding more like a little mindless minion of his than anything. Get. A. Grip.
John Q Public is Dumb. Average. They feed into media. They get into that shit. They have no filter. They react first then think.
I want the public to think like you and your lord Jose. It's how I think. But if you honestly think that the public doesn't care about a bunch of kids getting murdered in cold blood, to the point of not wanting some sort of action, then you are a ****ing idiot.
There is no march on DC right now. There is no angry mob. But if you think that people aren't taking notice and don't want action on this, then you are ****ing dense.
RP is alienating those people. And he needs those votes in order to matter in this political system. This is NOT helping. And if you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Sorry, maybe?
One thing to keep in mind is a lot of people are braying (including self described "gun owners") but only a certain percentage of the braying horses are willing to do anything. A month from now they won't even barely remember the fact that some wackjob killed a bunch of children in CT.
-Mike
The media will be sure to remind them.
Even the media loses interest. Old news doesn't increase ratings, with 9/11 being an exception. Look at the shitty media coverage in Iraq and Afganistan now.... we still have guys dying over there and the Media treats that shit as a "sidebar" now, assuming they even talk about it at all.
-Mike
A majority of Americans support stricter gun laws in the aftermath of the Newtown school shooting, but most oppose banning assault weapons, a move that is backed by President Obama as a step to curb gun violence, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.
Fifty-eight percent of Americans now say they favor stricter gun laws, up from 43% in October 2011. And the American public, which favored enforcing existing gun laws over passing new ones by a 60%-35% in 2011, now is split on the issue, with 46% favoring enforcing current laws and 47% favoring passing new ones.
In terms of specific laws, however, the ban on assault weapons, which are a favorite target of gun control advocates — including Obama -- hasn't gained any significant support, according to the poll. Forty-four percent support such a move and 51% are against it. In October 2011, 43% supported an assault weapons ban and 51% said they were against it.
I agree. It seems like the high-tide mark has already been reached, and the frenzy is starting to recede. From today's USA Today:
Those margins are way too thin. But not surprising.
When the "casual 2A supporters" think something has to be done, why do they think so? Is it because they're upset about the horrors of semi-auto rifles and "fully loaded clips"? Or is it because they're afraid the gun ban might reach them if they don't throw a sacrificial lamb under the bus first?
A large percentage of NRA members, possibly even a majority of life members, are Zumbo/Jackson Fudds. They're not about to lead any charge to ban anything, even though they might speak in favor of it if they think it protects them.
And it might... right up until the next target is "sniper rifles" (any rifle with a scope) and "body armor piercing bullets" (any centerfire rifle ammo).
Our rights aren't endangered because of the general public being "bloodthirsty" for a gun ban. They're endangered because of casual gun owners who are willing to accept a ban of something they aren't interested in.