So Furguson has been declared a State of Emergency. We have had them in here in Ma and it usually has to do with weather. When this happens I'm probably not going out because there is like 3+ feat of snow on the ground. I don't know if Watertown was a "State of Emergency" or if they just locked it downs and did what they want. As I understand it when a State of Emergency is declared there is some funds that they local or state government, but I don't know what else this does. So What are our rights when a State of Emergency is declared? How does too much snow, rain, etc differ from riots and looting in terms of powers during it?
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Rights during a State of Emergency
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We have no rights. We have privileges.
If a right can be taken away, it is no right at all. It's a privilege.
Sadly, we do not have a right to anything in this country. Not even the right to live and breathe the air for free. You must buy Robamacare or be fined and eventually jailed for not paying the fine.
If a right can be taken away, it is no right at all. It's a privilege.
Sadly, we do not have a right to anything in this country. Not even the right to live and breathe the air for free. You must buy Robamacare or be fined and eventually jailed for not paying the fine.
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read up on 'exigency'
the SOE's exigency suspends the Constitution and the rights enumerated in it.
IMHO, if .gov decides THEIR exigency includes 'the taking and using' of my property, MY exigency will have a measured response.
Those who are being measured will almost certainly not like it. If there is no rule of law, they can PSGWSP.
the SOE's exigency suspends the Constitution and the rights enumerated in it.
IMHO, if .gov decides THEIR exigency includes 'the taking and using' of my property, MY exigency will have a measured response.
Those who are being measured will almost certainly not like it. If there is no rule of law, they can PSGWSP.
The irony is that much of the Constitution was designed specifically to prevent this. That is why any claim that a right doesn't exist under a certain condition is unlawful and corrupt at face value, and those who seek to enforce that should, in an ideal setting, be resisted and resisted with force when necessary.
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Exactly, a lot of citizens confuse rights with privileges which are disguised, packaged and sold as rights.
So basically any SOE makes the constitution null and void for the duration.
Go figure eh?
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I was in Long Island last month in an area hard hit by Hurricane Sandy almost two years ago. I asked around about "mandatory evacuation" orders that were issued. Some refused to evacuate (one guy defended his home with a bow). Despite the government bluster, none were charged. Cuomo and Bloomberg backed off.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/11/after-hurricane-sandy-hunting-bow.html
Next time, I think more, particularly families and those who accepted "protective custody" in the NY Islanders Coliseum will refuse because getting their kids to their open school was a big problem if evac'd to another town and they were unable to repair damage to prevent further damage or protect their property from looters.
That said, there were great stories of FD and PD doing consensual evacuations well and doing their best under the worst.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/11/after-hurricane-sandy-hunting-bow.html
Next time, I think more, particularly families and those who accepted "protective custody" in the NY Islanders Coliseum will refuse because getting their kids to their open school was a big problem if evac'd to another town and they were unable to repair damage to prevent further damage or protect their property from looters.
That said, there were great stories of FD and PD doing consensual evacuations well and doing their best under the worst.
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Lank
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Want this changed? Lets change the law.
One of my soon-to-be lifetime passions is changing the laws to allow the 100% annullment of most crimes after a >5 years of good behaivor.
MA laws suck because we allow them to.
And I do know "we" are outnumbered.
One of my soon-to-be lifetime passions is changing the laws to allow the 100% annullment of most crimes after a >5 years of good behaivor.
MA laws suck because we allow them to.
And I do know "we" are outnumbered.
Take a look at the health emergency bill they passed a while back. It talks about quarantines but doesn't say if they will take you from your house and leave it vulnerable to looters. It talks about taking supplies to use for the emergency. It talks about sanitizing property. It never mentions anything resembling compensation or lost wages.
Lank
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DPH is pretty scary.
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If anyone with intelligence and integrity would run for office then there's a chance what you say could work, but...
Hey, you know I'm right....look at my avatar's tits and tell her otherwise
Winner winner, chicken dinner
Sad but true.......
Whats gone on in Mo may actually meet the intent of each states intended need for such an emergency clause.
A couple feet of snow in mAss or a handful of our brighter rubes getting sick after smoking insense in NH does not warrant invocation of SOE and each of us should urge our reps/sens to chastise the Gov for abuse of power
xtry51
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You always have rights. Whether or not criminals attempt to infringe upon them does not mean they cease to exist. The only thing that stops them from existing is you not exercising them.
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Shot, they seem to like that one lately...
I'm sorry, maybe I'm dumb, but I don't go for the idea that we have only privileges. We have rights and we should defend them. It's interesting (and troublesome) that the limits of SOE "powers" aren't spelled out and clearly limited.
Also need to look into getting a gas mask. Those folks out there have no protection against tear gas. I read an artilce that said the Palastinian people were tweeting "pro tips" on how to deal with gas.
Also need to look into getting a gas mask. Those folks out there have no protection against tear gas. I read an artilce that said the Palastinian people were tweeting "pro tips" on how to deal with gas.
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