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Rifle Competitions with an AR-15 ?
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Ah, yes. Thanks for the correction. It's been quite a while since I shot service rifle.
about 6MOA . Is this 6" ?
What about a merit rear adjustable iron sight, http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=0/k=merit+m-16/t=P/ksubmit=y/Products/All/search=merit_m-16
Are these allowed?
or fiber optic front sight? http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=26412/Product/AR_15_M16_FIBER_OPTIC_FRONT_SIGHT
MOA are minutes of angle, or 1/60th of a degree. 1MOA is very closely 1" per 100 yards. IOW, the black is 6 inches at 100yards, 12 inches at 200, etc.
That fiber optic front sight would NOT help. For service rifle, you want a thin front sight post:
http://www.brownells.com/1/1/11466-...-kit-national-match-front-sight-armalite.html
And I don't think that they would be legal for CMP service file. The rulebook states:
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.pdf
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The full distance NRA & CMP High Power course of fire is shot at:
200 yards - 1 moa = ~ 2" The aiming black is 13" so ~ 6 moa
300 yards - 1 moa = ~ 3" The aiming black is 19" so ~ 6 moa
600 yards - 1 moa = ~ 6" The aiming black is 36" so ~ 6 moa
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200 yards - 1 moa = ~ 2" The aiming black is 13" so ~ 6 moa
300 yards - 1 moa = ~ 3" The aiming black is 19" so ~ 6 moa
600 yards - 1 moa = ~ 6" The aiming black is 36" so ~ 6 moa
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I'm new to this as well, but if I understand correctly the "moa" is an easy way to describe the relative size of the target regardless of distance. If 1 moa = 1" @ 100 yds, then at 25 yds it's 1/4". 6 moa @ 25 yds would be a target circle 1.5" in diameter. Can someone verify if this is correct?
I have my own equipment, less mag pouches.
As for spacecase , maybe 35 years ago.
I have several NES friends that I shoot with at MRA. very good group. I fit in well.
Thanks, Mike
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You don't need mag pouches for highpower. You do need a proper rifle and a spotting scope, and a mat, and a shooting coat. Most guys who have been shooting a while have spares and are happy to lend stuff. (Hell, I'm a noob and I pretty much have two of everything already.)
Any of you guys going to the Reading match on the 27th?
I'd like to come watch/participate.
RIFLE and RULES:
Any Match or Service rifle with iron sights. Current NRA
rules apply. No 55 or 62 grain .223 ammo may be fired at 600 yards at the
Reading Club.
This paragraph concerns me. Just want to make sure I can use my rifle for the match.
Mike
I'd like to come watch/participate.
RIFLE and RULES:
Any Match or Service rifle with iron sights. Current NRA
rules apply. No 55 or 62 grain .223 ammo may be fired at 600 yards at the
Reading Club.
This paragraph concerns me. Just want to make sure I can use my rifle for the match.
Mike
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Lee Sportsman's will be having a rifle side stage on April 10th and hopefuly another one in the fall. This one will be a shorter distance, with more targets. For more info [email protected]
the 27th is the beginning of the club offhand championships (nothing formal, IIRC they use it to finalize rosters for EMRL). it's offhand at 200 yards, 20 shots / 20 minutes.
for ammo, regular old XM193 is capable of some VERY good scores @ 200. they dont allow 55/62gr ammo @ 600yards because it's simply too light a bullet to gaurantee you'll hit at least the target backer every shot (~ 5'x5' square). we cant afford to let a round get out of the range (and risk closure), and a bullet skipping off the ground could very well do that.
if you want to try it, shoot me a PM. i'll bring you a rifle to shoot (or, more specifically, my practice upper. it's got ~ 3200 rounds on it now, and i shot a 194x5 2 weekends ago with it). it'll put em where you point it.
for ammo, regular old XM193 is capable of some VERY good scores @ 200. they dont allow 55/62gr ammo @ 600yards because it's simply too light a bullet to gaurantee you'll hit at least the target backer every shot (~ 5'x5' square). we cant afford to let a round get out of the range (and risk closure), and a bullet skipping off the ground could very well do that.
if you want to try it, shoot me a PM. i'll bring you a rifle to shoot (or, more specifically, my practice upper. it's got ~ 3200 rounds on it now, and i shot a 194x5 2 weekends ago with it). it'll put em where you point it.
Whats a good bullet weight for shooting high power with my AR?
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I would probably try the 69 grain Sierra Match King first. Real nice bullet and very versatile. That's what I shot across the course last year and they're more accurate than I am.
What rifle do you have? Is is it something other than a 20" A2 or A4?
69s will work fine at 600 yards. My first year of HP that is all they had for heavy bullets. Better option is the 75 Hornady or 77 Sierra. Both should work with a 1/9.
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69s will work fine at 600 yards. My first year of HP that is all they had for heavy bullets. Better option is the 75 Hornady or 77 Sierra. Both should work with a 1/9.
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Jose
We really need to know more about your rifle. Barrel length, sights, type of handguard, stock, trigger, etc.
Everything.
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Jose
My Rifle = Bushmaster XM15 ES2 A3 type rifle -"Flat-top" upper receiver w/16" barrel & Removable carry handle. Sights=Rear/ A2 Dual aperture sight. Front/sight post.
Stock=Solid A2 . Factory trigger. 2 piece vented hand guard
Thanks.
I should have been more specific.
I want to know what distance do I zero my sight. With my rear sight turned to 6/3 and use proper sight alignment to adjust the front sight to hit the target.
Once complete then raise the rear to shoot out to incremented distance without adjusting the front sight.
I am probably not using the proper terms,but hope you understand what I am trying to accomplish.
Thanks, Mike
In HP you zero at the distance you are shooting. First pick what sight picture you are going to use. COM will make things easier at first.
Run the rear sight down all the way to the bottom, then run it up three or four clicks off bottom. Now zero the front sight. Once you establish your 200 yard zero with the front sight, leave it alone and make all the adjustments with the rear sight.
If you use the Sierra accuracy load with Varget & 69 Sierras, you will probably only get 2700 fps or less out of that 16 inch tube. You should still be comfortably supersonic at 600 yards though.
Zero so you are an inch low at 25 yards. That will put you right into the center of the 200 yard target if you do what you are supposed to do.
If you keep the sight picture the same, come up 3 minutes for 300 yards. For 600 come up another 14 minutes.
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Run the rear sight down all the way to the bottom, then run it up three or four clicks off bottom. Now zero the front sight. Once you establish your 200 yard zero with the front sight, leave it alone and make all the adjustments with the rear sight.
If you use the Sierra accuracy load with Varget & 69 Sierras, you will probably only get 2700 fps or less out of that 16 inch tube. You should still be comfortably supersonic at 600 yards though.
Zero so you are an inch low at 25 yards. That will put you right into the center of the 200 yard target if you do what you are supposed to do.
If you keep the sight picture the same, come up 3 minutes for 300 yards. For 600 come up another 14 minutes.
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I believe it has been said earlier in this thresd but with all the questions you have you may want to come to a match to observe. There are a great many guys around that after the match wouldn't mind answering all the questions you will have.
