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RECOIL EXCLUSIVE: gas piston Alien Pistol from Laugo Arms, the Full Review
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""About the only thing striker-like about it is that the tail of the hammer strut pokes out of the gun’s arse end when cocked, just like in a Springfield XD, Canik, or all the way back to the 1907 Roth Steyr. But it’s a hammer. This distinction is important, as the Alien is being marketed as a competition pistol, aimed squarely at the USPSA Production and Carry Optics divisions, and unfortunately, having a hammer means it’ll have a hard time meeting the division rules. But we digress, and we shall see.""
So not a striker fired gun, no safety and possibly no way to decock it. Plus the optic will not reciprocate with the slide, which is a problem for carry optics. Unless USPSA changes some rules, this seems like its an open pistol, oh but its 9mm, so open minor?
So not a striker fired gun, no safety and possibly no way to decock it. Plus the optic will not reciprocate with the slide, which is a problem for carry optics. Unless USPSA changes some rules, this seems like its an open pistol, oh but its 9mm, so open minor?
$5k is waaay too much. And if this doesn’t get approved for production in USPSA, then it’s forced into limited or open. Who’s going to spend that kind of money when you can get STI limited gun for less.
It’s a very cool design but unless I’ve got just so much money I don’t know what to do with, I ain’t buying it.
It’s a very cool design but unless I’ve got just so much money I don’t know what to do with, I ain’t buying it.
Chevy 2 65
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Can’t do the super tactical one handed racking of the slide using the sights with this design. Also after watching the video it doesn’t look like it has any less recoil or muzzle flip than any other properly held full size 9mm pistol.
widnerkj
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I mean I want one, it's just funky and weird enough for me. But $5k is almost all the monies for a rocketworks conversion for the lil mazda. Rocketworks Sports Cars And that's next on my list.
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I want the Mars Marine wrist gun thing from The Expanse. Recoil directly aligned along your arm bones. Not a long range setup without some seriously integrated optics, but short range, minute of man accuracy with recoil management optimized.
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I don't understand the design, fundamentally. Are they trying to reduce the slide weight or just keep the sights from moving? I'd like to see a gun with as little slide movement as possible, like from the bolt face back is all that moves. Reduce the mass that moves when the gun is fired and compensate for recoil by gas venting or some other means.
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Taking my thinking to the absolute retard extreme, the gun would almost recoil 'downwards' if you aren't ready for it.
I want the Mars Marine wrist gun thing from The Expanse. Recoil directly aligned along your arm bones. Not a long range setup without some seriously integrated optics, but short range, minute of man accuracy with recoil management optimized.
/thread back on track.
I don't understand the design, fundamentally. Are they trying to reduce the slide weight or just keep the sights from moving? I'd like to see a gun with as little slide movement as possible, like from the bolt face back is all that moves. Reduce the mass that moves when the gun is fired and compensate for recoil by gas venting or some other means.
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Taking my thinking to the absolute retard extreme, the gun would almost recoil 'downwards' if you aren't ready for it.
Both, as well as lower the bore axis.
I’m not sure overheat is accurate, but unbearably warm might be. I would be interested how quickly it heats up. I think that was also an issue with the Walther CCP. This gun looks like it begs to be run hard so I am curious. If it got to the point where you were burning your hands and melting holsters during competition, then you have a definite issue.
Bruce Gray told me he used to run one of those champagne cooler things between stages to cool down his P7M13... basically 20+ rounds downrange = 20 minute cool period. Otherwise they get uncomfortable to hold. When i had my P7M8, 40 rounds in one go was pretty much almost a hard limit....
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They're just trying to kill recoiling mass, less recoiling mass = less muzzle flip; the gas retard blowback system dampens the slide velocity without screwing up the guns cycling like overspringing it would....
I'm not a huge historian when it comes to firearms, but has anyone made a gun like what I described? Everything fixed in front of the breech/bolt face and just move enough to eject/reload. Something like only the back half of the slide moving. I know there would be feed ramp issues, but nothing I can't see someone engineering a fix for.
I could see current design being a compromise, I don't know how much force is applied where and when. "My" design would almost be like a bolt action that kinda self articulates. I could see recoil being worse, but with compensators being so common, I'd think it could be overcome.
Mesatchornug
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Silencerco Maxim 9
fshalor
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Official space gun of the United States Space Force in ..... 3....2....1...
Seriously. We all know the Space Force will be about the guns.
(Can't have the brave men and women fighting bugs with a .22! )
Seriously. We all know the Space Force will be about the guns.
(Can't have the brave men and women fighting bugs with a .22! )
Another million dollar idea....gone
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Lots of critics for brand new pistol. Maybe wait for some people to actually put one through it’s paces first at least.
The P7 has the gas cylinder under the barrel, as part of the frame, right above your trigger finger.
The Alien has it above the barrel, so I don't think burning your shooting hand will be a problem.
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I have a P7 PSP, which was the original version, with the heel mounted mag release.
HK must have soon figured out that heating was a problem, so when they released the later M8, M10 and M13 versions, they were equipped with a heat shield.
I guess they worked to some degree, but didn't quite eliminate the problem.
Unfortunately, that's what I was thinking, but BIGGER
. What gun is that and did it work? .22's barely recoil as it is, but that's what I was imagining in my mind.
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It's a High Standard.
It's what I run in gallery matches. I suck at it, the gun is not at fault for my scores. Mine is not quite as bad-ass-tricked-out, but it still has beautiful lines.
It's what I run in gallery matches. I suck at it, the gun is not at fault for my scores. Mine is not quite as bad-ass-tricked-out, but it still has beautiful lines.
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