They love the Bloomberg style guide approved jargon of "hidden" guns. Because Mr.thuggymcthugface from the dregs of Dot on his 3rd unlawful possession of the year is really less dangerous than a visiting dentist with a Utah ccw license.
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The difference being it wasnt the fed gov that mandated that the states recognize each others DL's......that was done voluntarily by the individual states..........much like its currently being done by various states choosing to recognize certain other states CCW's
Allowing the fed gov to usurp this power is a very dangerous move that WILL bite us in the long run
How'd we get so many socialists/liberals as police chiefs, anyway?
Eliminating multiple classes of citizens would be a good step but its only one piece of the puzzle.....and lets not forget that the biggest problem revolves around out of control fed gov.....we need to work to get it back to handling its constitutional responsibilities and drop the usurpation of states powers never granted to it......
The goal wrt RKBA imho should always be a full repeal of 34 and 68 GCA's
I agree with you. However, I think the only way that states will recognize other states' ccls will be if the leos are given the same limitations as regular citizens, which would then force most of the big cities and states like MA Ny CA CT NJ etc PDs to oppose the lack of reciprocity.
In the old days, NY police with town or county, but not state, jurisdiction outside NYC were not allowed to carry in NYC.Because the shit anti places only want THEIR cops carrying in their territory/fiefdom.
There was a legit question there - does military status (I think as an MP) with no civilian LE authority convey LEOSA status? That Coastie got lucky. The other harassment I have heard of is "do not accept LEOSA credentials on face value; detain until they can be verified with the issuing agency."There was a USCG guy that got arrested (in NY, IIRC) and claimed "LEOSA" status and it had to go to federal court or something to get resolved.
Were you paying attention when LEOSA was actually passed? Probably not. Those states won't care even if LEOSA was repealed tomorrow, they'd secretly be glad about it, actually. Because the shit anti places only want THEIR cops carrying in their territory/fiefdom.
Do you know what happens to cops pinged carrying under LEOSA in some commie areas? Detainment and hassle on a good day. There was a USCG guy that got arrested (in NY, IIRC) and claimed "LEOSA" status and it had to go to federal court or something to get resolved. It might be federal law but it is barely respected by the garbage states. LEOSA was not something pushed by chiefs, it was pushed by sub-brass level cops, some of their unions, and a few cops as RKBA advocates in the mix. I forget the name of the union but I think the main union pushing it was also in favor of citizens being armed, etc. The only way they pulled it off is because they had the memetic advantage that the chiefs and other miscellanous douchebags would have looked like garbage/morons for pitching the idea of "cops shouldn't be able to carry guns in another state".
-Mike
No he claimed "boarding officer" status which was a legit question at the time. NYPD actually issued a memo to hold to verify anyone claiming LEOSA credentials. I actually read a copy of the memo when it was issued (it was on a police forum) but foolishly never saved a copy.In the old days, NY police with town or county, but not state, jurisdiction outside NYC were not allowed to carry in NYC.
There was a legit question there - does military status (I think as an MP) with no civilian LE authority convey LEOSA status? That Coastie got lucky. The other harassment I have heard of is "do not accept LEOSA credentials on face value; detain until they can be verified with the issuing agency."
Who says that rank & file support Skeletor and his BS?I guess what I wanted to say was if police current and retired could only carry consealed in their home states and didn't get "special" treatment, I don't think they would be supporting the nonsense put out by mousey of boston et al.,
Rank and file may not support skeletor and and his ilk but these heads and the organizations that they "represent" apparently don't receive enough negative feedback from the rank and file to change their message. I'd as likely bet that if some of the special considerations were eliminated and brought them down to the civilian level they might be a bit more forthcoming.Who says that rank & file support Skeletor and his BS?
I'm willing to bet that you won't find many "boots on the ground" officers who privately would tell you that they support his BS.
Rank and file may not support skeletor and and his ilk but these heads and the organizations that they "represent" apparently don't receive enough negative feedback from the rank and file to change their message. I'd as likely bet that if some of the special considerations were eliminated and brought them down to the civilian level they might be a bit more forthcoming.
There is a difference between saying "I want this, let's talk" and "Nothing but full repeal".You dont ask for what you're willing to settle for even if its incremental
Thats negotiating 101.......and its also a lesson in why the leadership of our team is perpetually capitulating to the tyrants on the left......
Playing devil's advocate. Given the current situation it doesn't sound like you are giving up anything. That isn't a compromise any more than the anti BS they call a compromise. Although I like your non-compromise better than theirs.I'll compromise.
Repeal ALL the crap gun control laws that have been passed, ever (at Federal, State and Local levels) and I'll accept a common sense provision that if you're under 18, Mom or Dad has to make the purchase of a firearm on your behalf.
Yes, in that your mass LTC is useless outside of mass except in TX. But NH has con carry now and you do not require any license to carry there.
Playing devil's advocate. Given the current situation it doesn't sound like you are giving up anything. That isn't a compromise any more than the anti BS they call a compromise. Although I like your non-compromise better than theirs.
Again, why should I capitulate/sacrifice my rights?
If we “compromise” we give up something, what do the antis loose if they compromise ?There is a difference between saying "I want this, let's talk" and "Nothing but full repeal".
I don't recall, where were you on the no compromise thread? Negotiating is all about compromise.
A good example is what I said elsewhere regarding the ERPO bill in MA. In MA there is already suitability which is redundant to the ERPO. So give them the ERPO but get rid of suitability everywhere. This would be a compromise. The "we will only take this" BS is not a compromise regardless of what they call it.
If we “compromise” we give up something, what do the antis loose if they compromise ?
Actually, the Mass LTC is recognized by a number of states:
http://handgunlaw.us/states/massachusetts.pdf
The point is that folks are incorrectly using the word "Compromise" when "Capitulation" is accurate
Long story short I told her that I thought we needed to repeal all gun control and there should be no more impediments/controls on purchase/ownership than there is for chain saws or gasoline.....and that I felt I should be able to walk into my local hardware store and purchase a belt fed machine gun and 1k of linked ammo, plunk down my cash and walk out with nothing more to the transaction......and that the solution was to lock up violent people not try to restrict access to inanimate objects......after all how well did prohibition or the so called war on drugs work out?
You started with the word "compromise", that was his point.
A compromise would be something like, "universal background check, with no record of the individual or the gun involved, and repeal of the Hughes amendment and *all* state AWBs."
They get universal background checks, we get new machineguns and no stupid "AW" laws.
The point is that folks are incorrectly using the word "Compromise" when "Capitulation" is accurate
If we “compromise” we give up something, what do the antis loose if they compromise ?
We already know that their compromise is that they don't get complete gun ban 'at this time'. We should feel lucky. Sadly not satirical.
Yes, you're absolutely right about that. Unfortunately, it's not just those who would steal our rights who use it that way.
Why the Fucckk NC reciprocates with MASS and MASS does not back is beyond me, take MASS off our list, calls and letters out tomorrow.Actually, the Mass LTC is recognized by a number of states:
http://handgunlaw.us/states/massachusetts.pdf