xtry51
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This is nothing new. ATF has in the past physically altered gun parts (not added anything) in properly functioning firearms to make them FA, then accused the owners of crimes. They are f***ing scumbags.
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Rare Breed Triggers Accused Of Creating "Machine Gun" Loses First Court Battle With ATF: UPDATE POST 118 - BIG WIN IN COURT
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Didn’t know where to put this as there are so many forced reset trigger threads.
Looks like another person is being charged with possession of a machine gun for having an Alamo 15 trigger. Yes obviously these people got on the radar by doing bad stuff but here’s another prosecution for forced reset.
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Looks like another person is being charged with possession of a machine gun for having an Alamo 15 trigger. Yes obviously these people got on the radar by doing bad stuff but here’s another prosecution for forced reset.
Gun Shop and Owner Charged with Transfer of Firearm to a Felon, Aiding and Abetting Unlicensed Firearm Trafficking, and Failure to Maintain Firearm Records
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – A federal grand jury returned a three-count indictment against Aileene Mudafort-Fernández and Mudafort Xtreme Sports & Motorsports Inc. for disposing of a pistol to a felon, aiding and abetting in unlicensed firearm trafficking, and failure to maintain firearm records. In...
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History has not been kind to make products designed to get full-auto like performance out of semi auto weapons, and decision reversals are common. Just look at the history of the Atkins Accellerator; Bump Stock; Forced reset triggers with other likely targets - pistol braces and binary triggers. The Polymer 80 etc. ruling was based on the same principle - the BATFE will enforce the law the way it, or more accurately the current administrations, thinks it was intended to function, not as it is written. And then the is the classic Maadi-Griffin sage where a "parts kit" vendor though he could play "lets parse what the law says" games with the BATFE and win.
I'm getting tired of having to go into detail, so I'm just going to start replying to stuff like this with Bruen: It's What's for Dinner.
Bruen changed precedent, that's why it's called a landmark decision. Before Bruen it was the two step approach created by Heller and before Heller it was the organized militia service approach established in Miller that basically gave legislatures the ability to restrict firearms with impunity because they could claim any firearm wasn't a proper weapon for use in an organized militia.
Yes, for 70+ years the legal precedent for 2nd Amendment cases was that retarded. However, much like today with Justice Roberts and his incessant need to appease the Left with decisions like Obamacare, the Supreme Court of the 1930s was playing the same game to not draw the ire of FDR, who was attempting to pack the court.
Miller is thankfully no longer the precedent courts have to follow, nor is Heller. The debate on full auto and machine guns is not settled, there is a very high chance that the registry and Hughes Amendment will be found unconstitutional, but will binary triggers and FRT's be considered gun parts free of NFA laws or as legit Full Auto devices subject to the NFA is up for the courts to decide.
IMO, full auto is going to have a hard time being removed from the NFA as SCOTUS almost perfectly worded Bruen in a way to keep MG's regulated, but short barreled rifles/shotguns and suppressors removed in a future decision given short barrel rifles and shotguns were in common use at the time of the founding and the 14th Amendment.
Judge blocks sale of machine gun converters after U.S. sues.
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Judge blocks sale of machine gun converters after U.S. sues
The U.S. Department of Justice said it has obtained a court order blocking two firearms companies from imperiling public safety by illegally selling devices to convert AR-15 style rifles into machine guns.
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Maker of rapid-fire triggers falsely told customers they are legal, judge says in preliminary ruling
A federal judge in New York City has ruled that evidence shows a company whose after-market triggers can make semiautomatic AR-15-style rifles fire like automatic weapons fraudulently misled consumers that the devices were legal.
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New updates for rare breed- not looking good.
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No wonder Rare Breed never answered my email asking if they would commit to a refund if the BATFE disagreed with their riverboat gambler, er, attorney.
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Even killers filmed in the act are referred to as "alleged" by the media until adjudication, but the media has already passed its verdict thar Rare Breed triggers are machine gun converters.Judge blocks sale of machine gun converters after U.S. sues.
Judge blocks sale of machine gun converters after U.S. sues
The U.S. Department of Justice said it has obtained a court order blocking two firearms companies from imperiling public safety by illegally selling devices to convert AR-15 style rifles into machine guns.
KBCraig
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Rate of fire is not part of the legal definition for “machine gun”.
The FRT helps the shooter pull the trigger really quickly, but it’s still one shot per pull of the trigger.
The FRT helps the shooter pull the trigger really quickly, but it’s still one shot per pull of the trigger.
They did but it's basically an exercise in futility, because thousands of those things are likely still pouring in through the cracks. It's basically a live demonstration of the futility of gun control when you have a nation that imports trillions of $ in foreign goods every year. The west coast as an example has a multi billion dollar illegal fireworks "problem"
- and the ATF can't even control that either, despite the fact that explosives as a generality are way more regulated.
Even if you plugged all the cracks, looking at how a Glock switch works would seem to imply that you could convert a slide to full-auto-only using a shim made with tin snips from a small piece of a beer can.
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Go on...
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Yes there's probably a lot of switches out there. Since cops like to make numbers the switches would be easy pickings and actual machine guns versus the frt which is not ever going to be an actual machine gun. I guess it would be racist to go after the young gentleman with switches and going after "gun nuts" is a lot more palatable to society.They did but it's basically an exercise in futility, because thousands of those things are likely still pouring in through the cracks. It's basically a live demonstration of the futility of gun control when you have a nation that imports trillions of $ in foreign goods every year. The west coast as an example has a multi billion dollar illegal fireworks "problem"
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I dunno. There's a huge difference between the FRT and a bump stock. I think they're gonna get F'd. Everything hinges on what you consider a "pull" of the trigger. Sometimes, it's better to not try something b/c it could open up Pandora's box. A loss with the RB could lead to a pile-on in some courts.
Well, all a Glock switch does is move a small shim into position so that it pushes the trigger bar down as the slide comes into battery. That's pretty much all it is - a little pointy piece of metal of the right shape in the right place. Installing a small shim inside the slide so that it's in that same place (but not on a switch) so that it would push the trigger bar down every time would seem to be all it would take.
Once you have the size and shape worked out, you could print it on little stickers and watch the ATF declare the stickers to be machine guns.
This chestnut again.
The IRS has had armed agents for a very long time. Only about 2,000 of their agents are armed. They aren’t going to hire 50,000 new armed agents. The IRS is currently staffed at the same level that it was in 1970. As a result, they only answer about 15% of the phone calls they receive. In addition, they expect a lot of attrition in the coming decade as people retire or leave the IRS for other reasons. They anticipate needing to hire around 50,000 in the next 10 years just to maintain their current headcount. They don’t plan to significantly increase the number of armed agents.
But folks on the right are blatantly misrepresenting this because fear porn generates clicks and raises political contributions.
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I heard they only have about 1,999 armed agents.
Amputee Marksman
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That's 1999 to many!
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Oh come on. You KNOW they just targeted everyone on NES. They have guys with guns and badges ready to take their tactical tank right into their living rooms. Not you and me because we aren't spreading "the truth." LOL
Wouldn't that be, give or take, 3998 armed?
Mesatchornug
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No, it doesn't, because the law refers to a single function of the trigger.
It's not, but the "single function" language is. I'm not going to get into the semantics of that phrase, but the current move with regulating binary triggers, bump stocks, etc. is using rate of fire increase as an interpretation of the law.
It doesn't matter in regards to the 2nd Amendment, there shall not be any infringement to it, but the public has yielded that there must be some sensible regulations on it.
I don't think we will ever get the machine guns struck down from the NFA, but putting an arbitrary restriction on rate of fire opens the door to too many negative possibilities and it must be rejected because once rates of fire are able to be regulated, the potential of bans on semi auto are possible.
The FRT is a lot closer to a machine gun under the single function definition than binary triggers and bump stocks are. Owners should be able to keep them, the Hughes Amendment should be struck down, state bans on machine guns as well, and the triggers registered.
Once we get back to a pre-Hughes world and there's not blood running in the streets, people will start to see machine guns as having been demonized by a tyrannical gov't and a complicit media and the removal of full auto regulations under the NFA will not seem as radical.
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Mesatchornug
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So NAGR might finally land a win worth discussing?
