Question about bringing pre-ban rifles into CT

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Second try. First was deleted because I added some detail that made it look like I was trying to skirt the rules. I wasn't, but on a first post I understand you've gotta assume the new guy is being a jerk.

I have two questions about the current state of CT law that I would appreciate some guidance on:

1) Can a AR-type rifle that was built prior to 1993 and that is not on the list of banned firearms be purchased from someone in another state (through an FFL) or does 'grandfathering' only apply to guns that are already in CT?
2) Do all of the parts of the gun have to be pre-ban, or just the assembled lower? IOW is it legal to bring in a pre-ban lower that haas a brand new upper assembly attached?
 

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A pre-94 ban gun is exempted from the restrictions on assault weapons transfers and possessions. It is 100% legal for you to acquire said gun
1) from an out of state dealer, since its a long gun
2) in state from a dealer after its been shipped from out of state.

The law has no requirement that the gun be in CT by any certain date.

The only thing that has to be pre-ban is the receiver.

Please note, that its still an AW in CT. So the transport restrictions specific to AWs still apply. Locked in trunk, or in a locked container if no trunk. For non-AWs, CT has no transport restrictions.

What's interesting is that there are no restrictions on the transport of machine guns. Ha.

This is a copy of a pdf that the DESPP sent me when I asked about this several years ago.

pre-ban_assault_weapons can be transferred.jpg
 
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Does CT still enforce the old banned by name list for pre-bans?
 

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Does CT still enforce the old banned by name list for pre-bans?
Yes, no, and maybe. At a recent (last week) meeting with the SLFU and ATF the State essentially said that they were aware of prebans on the BBN list being transferred and were not actively pursuing them (yet) but they also made it clear that they were not legally transferred and if you were caught with one, would be prosecuted. I know some FFL’s who won’t go near them and others who still transfer them. The safest bet, as of tonight, if you were looking at acquiring a preban, would be to look for one not on the BBN list. The laws in this State continue to be a moving target.
 

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Yes, no, and maybe. At a recent (last week) meeting with the SLFU and ATF the State essentially said that they were aware of prebans on the BBN list being transferred and were not actively pursuing them (yet) but they also made it clear that they were not legally transferred and if you were caught with one, would be prosecuted. I know some FFL’s who won’t go near them and others who still transfer them. The safest bet, as of tonight, if you were looking at acquiring a preban, would be to look for one not on the BBN list. The laws in this State continue to be a moving target.
Makes sense and thanks. Sounds similar to AG guidance in MA where people are still building and registering ARs, which they are not pursuing.

I wonder the discussion if as an out-of-stater you're stopped with a pre-ban on the BBN list. No state paperwork obviously since you didn't purchase in CT, but wonder if local/state PD would try to jam you up for it.
 

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Yes, no, and maybe. At a recent (last week) meeting with the SLFU and ATF the State essentially said that they were aware of prebans on the BBN list being transferred and were not actively pursuing them (yet) but they also made it clear that they were not legally transferred and if you were caught with one, would be prosecuted. I know some FFL’s who won’t go near them and others who still transfer them. The safest bet, as of tonight, if you were looking at acquiring a preban, would be to look for one not on the BBN list. The laws in this State continue to be a moving target.
They aren't going to so anything. For 3 years after PA13-3 was passed, up until about 18 months ago, the DESPP had a guidance letter saying that even pre-ban named AWs were now legal.

Our attorney at CT Carry disagreed. Her read was that named were still banned. But the DESPP said it was fine. So people bought and sold them and lots of them came into the state from other states.
 

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Makes sense and thanks. Sounds similar to AG guidance in MA where people are still building and registering ARs, which they are not pursuing.

I wonder the discussion if as an out-of-stater you're stopped with a pre-ban on the BBN list. No state paperwork obviously since you didn't purchase in CT, but wonder if local/state PD would try to jam you up for it.
The difference is that the DESPP for years said it was fine. I'd like to see them try something.

If you are out of state, you are covered by FOPA. Remember?? As long as you transport per FOPA. Which means the gun is legal at your origin and destination. It is irrelevant if its illegal in CT.
 

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The difference is that the DESPP for years said it was fine. I'd like to see them try something.

If you are out of state, you are covered by FOPA. Remember?? As long as you transport per FOPA. Which means the gun is legal at your origin and destination. It is irrelevant if its illegal in CT.
Agreed. Should have clarified and meant coming in from out of state and going to the range in CT, so not covered under FOPA.
 

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The difference is that the DESPP for years said it was fine. I'd like to see them try something.

If you are out of state, you are covered by FOPA. Remember?? As long as you transport per FOPA. Which means the gun is legal at your origin and destination. It is irrelevant if its illegal in CT.
I was drawing a blank on this legal principal. It just came to me: Entrapment by Estoppel

from this site: Entrapment by estoppel

"is affirmative defense known as entrapment by estoppel. Such a defense is available when a government official has actively misled a defendant into a reasonable belief that his or her charged conduct is legal. United States v. Neville, 82 F.3d 750, 761 (7th Cir. 1996)."
 

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The difference is that the DESPP for years said it was fine. I'd like to see them try something.
I’d be careful what you wish for. You don’t think that a Lamont administration will determine that the Bradford letter was issued in error or enforce the Kaminsky memorandum? The MA AG reinterpreted a law without recourse, and essentially tacit approval from the Legislature, and I have no doubt that Tong would do the same. I concur with RB’s view that BBN prebans were/are/will be a problem. Last week’s meeting proved that they would be toxic for FFL’s to possess. Other than electing other politicians, which after these two cycles have proven to be fruitless for CT, I don’t know what our best hope for clarity on this issue will be.
 
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There is NO AR-15 TYPE right now, There Maybe at a hometown near you very soon. There is a AK-47 TYPE that is why you cannot own one in the State of Connecticut. When Type is Added to the AR platform it will be a new Standard for gun owners and the state police to follow. My Thoughts only.
 
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mudbdriver you are Correct, We just have to wait and see what happens and I feel it will not be good for Gun Owners. Ned Ran on Gun Control, and he will Sign any and all new Gun Control Laws. Even a Full Ban on Semi Auto ( all will be listed as AW)

My Thoughts only. What are yours
 
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