Simkin is pretty clear. But it likely doesn't block passive aggressive shit by the PD etc. Nor will it punish them for putting someone through the wringer. Nor will it pay their legal fees during that process.Nope? No YOU nope.
Suitability. . .
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Simkin is pretty clear. But it likely doesn't block passive aggressive shit by the PD etc. Nor will it punish them for putting someone through the wringer. Nor will it pay their legal fees during that process.Nope? No YOU nope.
Suitability. . .
This, 100%.Those who care don't notice, those who notice don't care.
Once you have been carrying for a couple of months you'll get a chuckle for worrying about it so much.
What pile of horse shit. This state is f***ed up.Sure they can. They can refuse to accept your LTC as facially valid and confiscate the gun, for return after you show up at the station. This happened to an attorney in Springfield, and the court sided with the PD and accepted the argument that the officer could not tell if the LTC was valid and was therefore justified in seizing the gun. They can also send a report of the incident to the issuing authority for a suitability review (and don't think that Simkin will protect you at this level).
Sure they can. They can refuse to accept your LTC as facially valid and confiscate the gun, for return after you show up at the station. This happened to an attorney in Springfield, and the court sided with the PD and accepted the argument that the officer could not tell if the LTC was valid and was therefore justified in seizing the gun. They can also send a report of the incident to the issuing authority for a suitability review (and don't think that Simkin will protect you at this level).
All that had to be done, was. Take the info from the LTC, and look it up. What is so hard about that? Call it in !How can the town/state not accept their own issued LTC as valid? Who fakes an LTC?
Presumably he also had a driver's license to prove it was him, and that a quick call to *someone* would confirm that his LTC was valid, not expired, etc. Were there extenuating circumstances?
That actually had to go to court??
Other than having his gun 'seized' what did he do to have his suitability called into question? Officer of the court, yada yada...
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I just yell “MAN WITH A GUN!!!” and duck out the side door.If I see someone printing, I call the PoPo and tell them that person pulled a gun on me.
Then I sit back and laugh.
(Relax people, I am kidding).
It did not have to go, as the attorney got his gun back. He tried to prove a point in court and was given a lesson in who has power and who does not.How can the town/state not accept their own issued LTC as valid? Who fakes an LTC?
Presumably he also had a driver's license to prove it was him, and that a quick call to *someone* would confirm that his LTC was valid, not expired, etc. Were there extenuating circumstances?
That actually had to go to court??
Other than having his gun 'seized' what did he do to have his suitability called into question? Officer of the court, yada yada...
Don't hang that on us, man. We don't want 'em either.[...]too many fags in this forum.
Probibly trying to see if your junk was printing.I pocket carry a lot and people don't look. I do remember one time I was trying an Urban Carry II holster at work. Work is one of those places where I really don't want the hassle of anybody noticing, and as I was walking towards my office, there was this coworker who had his eyes glued to my belt. I don't think he knew what it was, but at that moment I realized this "deep concealment" was total sh*t if it attracts "WTF is that?" kind of attention.
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If I see someone printing, I call the PoPo and tell them that person pulled a gun on me.
Then I sit back and laugh.
(Relax people, I am kidding).
SimkinJust curious -- if I am printing too much in public and I have
my LTC on me am I in any kind of trouble in Mass. with the law??
Same, I barely gaf anymore.I stopped worrying about it a decade ago. Most of the people will just assume it is a cellphone.
More likely a new gun owner rather than a beat down one.I hate seeing posts like these. It just shows how browbeaten gun owners in this state are. It is really sad that it has gotten to this point.
It was an attorney, and I don't think there were charges or a revocation - just a confiscation based on "looks like an LTC, smells like and LTC, I can't tell if it valid by looking at it, so I'm taking it to the station and you can come down and sort it out".Don't hang that on us, man. We don't want 'em either.
Separately - @Rob Boudrie, who was the case (maybe in Springfield?) where someone had his suit jacket blow open on the street? I think they came to a similar decision to Simkin...
While returning to my truck after a day of deer hunting in western MA a few years ago, I was approached by an EPO and asked for hunting license and LTC. My 870 was empty, slung over my shoulder with action open and a box of Winchester 1 oz slugs in my jacket pocket. I told him that I didn't hold an LTC but an FID instead. I handed him the license and FID. I figured he would ask for the 870 as well, to hold for "officer safety" reasons. My FID showed me wearing a light colored short sleeve shirt. That day, I was wearing winter clothing, orange vest and orange wool hat. He looked at the photo and asked if it was really me. I assured him that it was. He laughed and sent me on my way. He could have checked the validity of my FID, my driver's license, my truck's registration and BOP record in a matter of minutes on his patrol vehicle's laptop.How can the town/state not accept their own issued LTC as valid? Who fakes an LTC?
Presumably he also had a driver's license to prove it was him, and that a quick call to *someone* would confirm that his LTC was valid, not expired, etc. Were there extenuating circumstances?
That actually had to go to court??
Other than having his gun 'seized' what did he do to have his suitability called into question? Officer of the court, yada yada...
Well screw that guy. Rat.a few years back, I was patronizing a sandwich shop and two dudes came in to order. Both looked like bangers, both had easily seen pistols sticking out of IWBs. Some observant worker called the Po-Po and hilarity ensued. Both were undercover BPD detectives. This was in Natick.