chris_1001
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Then you need to buy some legally possessed on 8/1 lowers. Not going to be cheap...I just have 2 uppers that i want to complete into 2 MA legal firearms
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Then you need to buy some legally possessed on 8/1 lowers. Not going to be cheap...I just have 2 uppers that i want to complete into 2 MA legal firearms
What's stopping you? Go buy them from an FFL or private sale.I just have 2 uppers that i want to complete into 2 MA legal firearms
Find a lower for sale that was on an ffls books or possessed in state by LTC holder on 8/1. Then buy it.I just have 2 uppers that i want to complete into 2 MA legal firearms
No but yes. Yes in a practical sense. No in a legal sense. If originally built into a rifle whether by an 07 or by a random individual, federally it can then never be a pistol, just a pistol made from a rifle which is a SBR. Practically it is hard to prove how it was originally built by a private party since they will not document it so reasonable doubt is "I built a pistol first" unless you are in a ban state.(Red added by me)
If I understand correctly, anything that came from the manufacturer as a pistol or an "other" can always, forever, be either at the whim of the owner. Only stuff that a federally licensed FFL07 manufacturer delivered to a distributor as a rifle is limited to only being a rifle (or SBR)
Why would the new 121B registration lock a lower into being a rifle?
There's nothing in Mass. law that says you can't convert a rifle to a pistol, only the feds care about that.
Hard to say. Your initial recording in MIRCS as a rifle and not a pistol might be enough combined with it not being legal when registered to be a pistol (MA AWB) to say you cannot now build a pistol. But from a practical perspective, the risk would be very lowIf that’s the case.
If a stripped lower was bought, built and fa-10’d as a rifle and that system meant very little and means nothing now. Can that same lower be used to make pistol?
I have feeling the answer is no….but I had to ask.
Ah! Ok. I thought a lower sold to the first consumer as a lower was always “originally an other” no matter what you do with it later, or in what order.No but yes. Yes in a practical sense. No in a legal sense. If originally built into a rifle whether by an 07 or by a random individual, federally it can then never be a pistol,
Now should you 121B register it as a rifle then they might have the proof they need that it was originally built into a rifle. So register it as a pistol...
No. Read the post above you!
Seriously… WTF?
This is a fed thing.
I know. I know. I felt stupid trying it. But there is just so much info floating around I thought it was worth a shot.
Hell….i can unf*** my fixed mag pistol now….so i was hoping.
(Red added by me)
If I understand correctly, anything that came from the manufacturer as a pistol or an "other" can always, forever, be either at the whim of the owner. Only stuff that a federally licensed FFL07 manufacturer delivered to a distributor as a rifle is limited to only being a rifle (or SBR)
Why would the new 121B registration lock a lower into being a rifle?
There's nothing in Mass. law that says you can't convert a rifle to a pistol, only the feds care about that.
No but yes. Yes in a practical sense. No in a legal sense. If originally built into a rifle whether by an 07 or by a random individual, federally it can then never be a pistol, just a pistol made from a rifle which is a SBR. Practically it is hard to prove how it was originally built by a private party since they will not document it so reasonable doubt is "I built a pistol first" unless you are in a ban state.
Now should you 121B register it as a rifle then they might have the proof they need that it was originally built into a rifle. So register it as a pistol...
Unloaded? Yes as long as you stored it before entering the school's propertySo with the new language about prohibited places now in force, which include a storage allowance, is it the consensus that a gun locked in the glovebox is lawful when picking the kids up from school, given that it could be posited that "government buildings" include schools?
Unloaded? Yes as long as you stored it before entering the school's property
The manufacture did not make an "other". They made a receiver. It is an enumerated type of firearm. The statue does not say manufactured or manufacture. It says "originally a rifle". I will not perform the task, but I recommend some google on the topic. You will find ATF rulings on "kits" and the fact that the original build of said kit was a rifle to constitute "originally a rifle".But a person building up a lower is not the original maker of said firearm (unless it was an 80%). The manufacturer was. And if a manufacturer made an other, then it was originally an other, not a rifle.
“A firearm that was originally a rifle would be classified as a “weapon made from a rifle” if it has either a barrel less than 16 inches in length or an overall length of less than 26 inches. If an individual wishes to make an NFA firearm, they must first submit ATF Form 1 (Application to Make and Register a Firearm), pay a $200.00 making tax, and receive approval of the application from ATF before converting the firearm.
[18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3); 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a)(3)-(4)]”
This seems to be an ongoing theme, where I have been paying close attention, and I thought I understood what's going on. But then I review things, and I'm not sure any more.
The manufacture did not make an "other". They made a receiver. It is an enumerated type of firearm. The statue does not say manufactured or manufacture. It says "originally a rifle". I will not perform the task, but I recommend some google on the topic. You will find ATF rulings on "kits" and the fact that the original build of said kit was a rifle to constitute "originally a rifle".
No. The ATF discusses guns kits that can be built into rifles or pistols (think AR but other model types exist) and what follows and pistols from rifles and...Did it originally go to another FFL as a rifle?
As for kits, are you referring to parts kits that were derived from old/surplus rifles?
Are pre 8/1 lowers able to be legally built into rifles and if so what rules do we have to follow
Does anyone understand this new law for pre 8/1 ?
It was lawfully owned in the state of Massachusetts prior to 8/18/1 is the magic date. Was it lawfully owned in the state on that date?
There is lots of good reading on the topic here.
Build it out and enjoy.It was lawfully owned in the state of Massachusetts prior to 8/1
Not good enough. has to be lawfully possessed in MA ON 8/1. before no good. after no good. ON 8/1 goodIt was lawfully owned in the state of Massachusetts prior to 8/1
I was told by Jon at goal my built lower is illegal bought it back in July and built it then registered on efa10 portal all prior to 8/1 and it's somehow now illegal ? I can't believe that to be true otherwise every lower sold since 2016 and built as a rifle is now illegal and caused everyone to break the law.Build it out and enjoy.
Only rules are dictated by your wallet.
I’m going to build out an 8/1 into a ar pistol.
I was told by Jon at goal my built lower is illegal bought it back in July and built it then registered on efa10 portal all prior to 8/1 and it's somehow now illegal ? I can't believe that to be true otherwise every lower sold since 2016 and built as a rifle is now illegal and caused everyone to break the law.
If you’re worried I’ll buy your ARs for $100 each.I was informed it was what I was supposed to do