Define more "powerful"? Are you going by ME alone? If so, then 357Sig may have something to say.
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Forgot about the 10mm. I would call it the king if push came to shove.
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Poll: Why is the 9mm such a popular caliber?
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Define more "powerful"? Are you going by ME alone? If so, then 357Sig may have something to say.
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Forgot about the 10mm. I would call it the king if push came to shove.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMiI8VcPQ3c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Enough said.
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Enough said.
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Hiltonizer
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Define more "powerful"? Are you going by ME alone? If so, then 357Sig may have something to say.
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Forgot about the 10mm. I would call it the king if push came to shove.
Can't really look those up right now, but i'm fairly certian the 10mm is a turd by comparison to .45, hense the creation of the fotay.
Not really familiar with the 357sig so school me, does it have appreciably more stopping power to warrant the limited selection in both guns and availability of the ammo? I live 15 minutes from Sig in Exeter so i'm not averse to it
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It didn't gain wide acceptance because wussy FBI agents who were used to .45 powder puff loads couldn't handle it because it hurt their wimpy little wrists.
Umm? Think ya got that backwards.
10MM: 180gr Hordany XTP - 1,350ft/sec - 728ft/lbs
45ACP (+P): 200gr Speer Gold Dot - 1,080ft/sec - 518ft/lbs (non +P is far below this)
You were saying?
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The 40 is a neutered 10mm. The 10mm is probably king of the hill for auto pistols that you could reasonably CCW.
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Can't really look those up right now, but i'm fairly certian the 10mm is a turd by comparison to .45, hense the creation of the fotay.
Not really familiar with the 357sig so school me, does it have appreciably more stopping power to warrant the limited selection in both guns and availability of the ammo? I live 15 minutes from Sig in Exeter so i'm not averse to it
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Yup. I was going to post those but I'm at work. The 45 isn't what most people think it is. Sure it's a powerful round but why sacrifice capacity when you can have 9 and 10mm? 9mm will always be my favorite carry caliber. I can drive nails with them.
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To me the 9mm is a compromise,fair muzzle energy and high capacity magazines in a package that can be concealed easily. I remember when the various police depts moved from 357 mag revolvers to the hi cap 9 mm pistols because they believed the gang bangers have them so we need them idea. To me the 357 was the better service round although you only had 6 shots. Not to demean any of the LEOs on the board but IMHO most are not shooters and only fire their service weapons to qualify yearly. I can remember seeing article where huge amounts of rounds where fired to cease hostilities. Would a 6 shot 357 mag make a difference perhaps in the above situation,perhaps. There are those on this board that may remember growing up with little money and limited ammo supply being taught to make every shot count,now change that thought to fill the air with lead and hope you hit something and I think you'll get the gist of what I'm saying. And yes I do own several 9 mm capable of holding 15 rounds or more but what I carry has only 8 shots and a spare mag of 7 in 32 auto. Working on getting a holster to carry a sig 225 in the future.
10mm Auto.
ETA: Someone beat me to it. I used to carry a 10mm but stopped bothering once I did enough
research. Yeah, it is more powerful, definitely, but I don't really see it making a difference in a typical self
defense scenario.
I mostly carry a 9mm now. Read into wound ballistics long enough and you probably will too. It's not that
it's better, it's just that it's not any worse than most given modern ammunition.
The G29 I had though was FUN to shoot though, that's mainly why I had it.
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Some reasons off the top of my head:
1. NATO handgun standard.
2. Relatively inexpensive to produce.
3. Relatively decent performance at short range.
4. Allows for larger cartridge capacity than larger handgun calibers (e.g. 40 S&W and .45 Auto).
5. Cartridge found in handguns and some machine guns.
1. NATO handgun standard.
2. Relatively inexpensive to produce.
3. Relatively decent performance at short range.
4. Allows for larger cartridge capacity than larger handgun calibers (e.g. 40 S&W and .45 Auto).
5. Cartridge found in handguns and some machine guns.
10mm Auto.
ETA: Someone beat me to it. I used to carry a 10mm but stopped bothering once I did enough
research. Yeah, it is more powerful, definitely, but I don't really see it making a difference in a typical self
defense scenario.
I mostly carry a 9mm now. Read into wound ballistics long enough and you probably will too. It's not that
it's better, it's just that it's not any worse than most given modern ammunition.
The G29 I had though was FUN to shoot though, that's mainly why I had it.
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I have several carry pistols, a Dan Wasson Bobtail Commander in 10mm is one of them. Compared to a 9mm, it offers a little more margin for error, but not much, so I don't feel "under gunned" if I have to carry a smaller, lighter 9mm to meet comfort/concealable requirements for carry.
I do find the 10mm more fun to shoot than the 9, so I like taking it to the range more often.
Tommy Gun, H&K UMP, and KRISS are chambered in .45, so that is not a valid reason for 9mm. But I do agree with the other 4 reasons you mentioned.
You will not be disappointed with a Glock 20 and some full power 10mm rounds.
Jsfitzgerald85
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cost of the ammo plus availability is IMO the biggest reason. The 9mm IMO is more than adequate to defend yourself with and its a round cheap enough that you can shoot it often. Id rather have a pistol in 9mm with more experience behind it cause of the cheaper rounds then a larger caliber pistol with less time
Blasphemy!!!!!
Three well placed 9mm rounds into your target will be much more effective than three not so well placed 45 rounds.
Bottom line, proficiency with your carry gun is much more important than the caliber. Carry whichever you are most proficient with.
Bottom line, proficiency with your carry gun is much more important than the caliber. Carry whichever you are most proficient with.
If Colt set me up like they did whomever made that decision, then I'd be happy to pimp their stank.
Until then, no, not it isn't...
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Yes. That being the case though, I don't buy the "modern bullet design" BS as justification or carrying a lesser caliber than can otherwise reasonably be carried. My wife carries a 9mm, but she also can't shoot a 40 or 45 reasonably well.
The 10mm thing is interesting, I'd never looked into it much as it seems to not be very common. Whoever suggested a glock though, ewww
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ochmude
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Yes. That being the case though, I don't buy the "modern bullet design" BS as justification e for carrying a lesser caliber than is otherwise reasonably be carried. My wife carries a 9mm, but she also can't shoot a 40 or 45 reasonably well.
The 10mm thing is interesting, I'd never looked into it much as it seems to not be very common. Whoever suggested a glock though, ewww
Gotcha. Regarding 10mm, I believe Glock's version is the most common 10mm, which is why it was suggested. You need to look into it, regardless. It's like a .40, minus the estrogen.
