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Swallowed up by criminals or the government. Whats the difference?but they will have to make a decision if they expect to not be swallowed up by criminals.
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Swallowed up by criminals or the government. Whats the difference?but they will have to make a decision if they expect to not be swallowed up by criminals.
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Okay guys, should she have shot? She only got a few bruises and a concussion.
There really is none per se. Both deserve the barrel end of the gun at some point.Swallowed up by criminals or the government. Whats the difference?
I've always said self help is frowned upon in the commonwealth and this just proves my point, You are also guilty until proven innocent depending how much money you cough up. This dude have anything going on like a go fund me. I feel he needs our help on this one. Our own version of Kyle Rittenhouse.
Shooting a crazed dude in the stomach with a pepper ball launcher is unlikely to be effective. Maybe if he'd aimed lower?I know this is discussed in another thread I think, but what if he was carrying a Byrna Launcher, I think it shoots pepper balls...
Shooting a crazed dude in the stomach with a pepper ball launcher is unlikely to be effective. Maybe if he'd aimed lower?
Wow! But don't gun related situations get the boot? Going to see if I can find it. got it.It sounds like his gofundme is already over a quarter million.
I know this is discussed in another thread I think, but what if he was carrying a Byrna Launcher, I think it shoots pepper balls...
The charges for using OC spray would be significantly less than for using deadly force.There has been a bunch of discussion in this thread about pepper spray, and non-lethal options are a useful choice to have available. But the facts of this situation are challenging. The ponytailed attacker hit the eventual shooter by surprise, and partially from behind, so options were very limited.
But lets consider a hypothetical situation where our protester saw that he was being charged by a Hamas supporter. If he used pepper spray, and then sidestepped the charge, the headlines would be "Violent protesters pepper spray passersby who just want to talk." And the protester almost surely would be arrested for use of a dangerous weapon. Then everyone would be debating about the speed of the charge on video, and since no contact was made, the video would be pretty open to interpretation.
In the end, I do believe it would have been better for everyone if pepper spray was deployed and no contact was made by anyone. But I don't think that would mean that everyone goes home with no controversy.
As an aside, I have not handled a pepperball launcher, only seen them on youtube. But in evaluations on the hard2hurt channel, which I think are pretty good, I have not been impressed. Pepper spray is probably better in most situations.
I would say you're not using the spray right then.The charges for using OC spray would be significantly less than for using deadly force.
Salad of the day. Intubated, open belly, with massive abdominal trauma. Poor prognosis.@DJBrad can we get another order of word salad please?
I doubt that $250K will cover his legal expenses when all is said and done. Their objective is to break the man and leave him destitute, regardless of the verdict.It sounds like his gofundme is already over a quarter million.
If you want to handle a Byrna, there are several Mass stocking dealers, including Eastern Security and New England Airgun.As an aside, I have not handled a pepperball launcher, only seen them on youtube. But in evaluations on the hard2hurt channel, which I think are pretty good, I have not been impressed. Pepper spray is probably better in most situations.
A little lesson in OC., OC is an inhalant, basically an aerosol that needs to get inside you through breathing to be affective. On the skin it might cause some people some redness but it would not disable.There has been a bunch of discussion in this thread about pepper spray, and non-lethal options are a useful choice to have available. But the facts of this situation are challenging. The ponytailed attacker hit the eventual shooter by surprise, and partially from behind, so options were very limited.
But lets consider a hypothetical situation where our protester saw that he was being charged by a Hamas supporter. If he used pepper spray, and then sidestepped the charge, the headlines would be "Violent protesters pepper spray passersby who just want to talk." And the protester almost surely would be arrested for use of a dangerous weapon. Then everyone would be debating about the speed of the charge on video, and since no contact was made, the video would be pretty open to interpretation.
In the end, I do believe it would have been better for everyone if pepper spray was deployed and no contact was made by anyone. But I don't think that would mean that everyone goes home with no controversy.
As an aside, I have not handled a pepperball launcher, only seen them on youtube. But in evaluations on the hard2hurt channel, which I think are pretty good, I have not been impressed. Pepper spray is probably better in most situations.
Unless it's police, you do not have to cede your life to bystanders, the question is much better framed as what can you do when you are attacked by a lunatic that goes for your throat, and in such a situation when are you allowed to use force.So what's the intermediate force solution here? Pretend that there aren't two other dudes helping you and you are not able to get the kubotan or baton going. Tazer? How much crap do you gotta carry on you? Knives are out, that's deadly force again.
1. You have to pick your battles. IMHO, holding rallies and testifying at the few hearings you're actually allowed to attend won't make a difference.A person who runs away from problems eventually runs out of places to hide, while the problems still persist.
Then what?
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As far as that video, that Vet is a pussy. Looks like he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag even with numbers on his side.
He should have defended himself with his fists, not that gun.
Guilty of manslaughter if the Pal dies.
Yeap. The guy defending himself was charged even before the guy who was clearly assaulting him got any. But nothing to see here, right?Lol.... it's full retard to assume that any normal state would handle this the way MA did.
Yeap. The guy defending himself was charged even before the guy who was clearly assaulting him got any. But nothing to see here, right?
Take a look at how the George Floyd rioters were treated versus how the Jan. 6th rioters were treated. The FBI didn't form a task force and spend 10s of millions going after the Floyd rioters.Don't forget, Newton PD's first charges against the shooter were Assault with a deadly weapon, and depriving an individual of a constitutional right.
So, according to Newton PD, you have a constitutional right to attack people in the street
Also of note- the constitutional charge was not transferred to the attacker.
Take a look at how the George Floyd rioters were treated versus how the Jan. 6th rioters were treated. The FBI didn't form a task force and spend 10s of millions going after the Floyd rioters.
They stormed federal court houses. The burned down cities and killed people. They looted and spread Covid at a time when the authorities were telling you couldn't attend church because it was too risky. They declared autonomous zones free of the US. Remember the warlord of CHAZ?I don't remember the Floyd protesters storming the capital building, but that's a topic for a different thread.
Scott Hayes, the Framingham man charged with shooting an individual in Newton who darted across a busy street toward him during a pro-Israel rally last week.
Fadel said she learned about Hayes from a Plymouth group that sent out an alert in July showing a picture of him and another man, describing them as having guns, and warning Gaza ceasefire advocates to “be careful.”
She said she called Newton police after talking to members of her organization, the Sawa Newton-Area Peace Alliance, who said they had called a police dispatcher with concerns but were dismissed, “under the guise of free speech.”
Pro-Palestinian protesters say they warned Newton police about Scott Hayes
Activists say Hayes, called a hero by some, was known for provoking peaceful protesters and carrying a gun.www.wgbh.org
Pro-Palestinian protesters say they warned Newton police about Scott Hayes
Activists say Hayes, called a hero by some, was known for provoking peaceful protesters and carrying a gun.www.wgbh.org
SAWA organizer Nathan Foster said he was disappointed in the police response. “The police have a responsibility to make sure that when people are engaging in political speech, they’re not engaging in physical violence or threats of physical violence,” he said.
Ya, like stopping a person from charging across the street and tackling someone.
His posts won't help but none of the BS from the article will be allowed, would love to hear the call where they claim to have called the PD.
That the perp's father keeps saying his son is mentally ill will only help, since Hayes had no way of knowing this, it can only be used as an explanation for his irrational behavior. And irrational behavior is a good reason to defend oneself.