Police: Pregnant woman revived with Narcan overdoses again 40 minutes later

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  1. Fixxah

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    I missed this before posting. Bingo.
     
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    Not sure if it's been said, but she likely didn't overdose again. It's more likely that the Narcan wore off and she just passed back out from the stuff she already took. Narcan only lasts about 15 minutes, whereas most opiates last a lot longer than that. It's well-known in the medical community that you often need to use multiple doses or put the person on a drip.

    ETA: yep, just saw a couple others said it as well. That's what I get for only reading the first page. ;)

    That being said, she's still an asshat for doing this to her unborn child.
     
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    No harm no foul. Agreed.
     
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    There was a rather unpopular paper written in I think 1997 which suggested that government subsidy of heroin and making all heroin legal for a 4 year period would save a crazy amount of money and solve the problems.

    It also stipulated that a requirement was full ban on any help in the case of od using state/fed funds .

    Most of the dealers would dry up in that time. Gang wars would go unfunded. Heaviest abusers would self-correcr by dieing.

    4 years later, burn all remaining stock and sunset the subsidy.

    The amount saved was staggering. Well in the hundreds of billions.

    I'm not sure what percentage of people's issues with this stuff is due to it being illegal. While I'm sad for the situation .(poor kid. If they will even live). I'm more mornful about the dead weight loss to society due to care for people like this. It's not just the narcan cost. It's the ambulance ride. It's the hospital bills which in many cases will get forgiven if they are under 175% FPL.
     
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    I wonder what the root cause of addiction and alcoholism is. Is it simply a weakness of character on the junkies part, a mental disorder, a physical or chemical imbalance thing, should conviction of illegal sale of certain compounds carry an automatic death sentence ?

    I do think the recidivism rate for recovering junkies is huge, and where it seems everybody knows someone who has died or is in the process of dying from drug addiction, I also wonder how much if any resources are being spent on trying to find a "cure", the real cure, the those hopeless souls never even start down that road cure, whatever that might be. Frankly I'm not sure denying narcan would stop anything, people were OD'ing long before it came around, but I definitely get folks objecting to their tax dollars providing it.

    Mostly I guess I feel bad for those little babies. Talk about a rough start.
     
  7. RIFLEMAN1000

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    Limit a person to 3 shots of Narcan in thier lifetime. If by the third od you have not figured out you have a problem and must seek help to keep living then time to pull the plug. You wouldn't give a chronic alcoholic 3 liver transplants would you if he kept drinking. 3 strikes and your out .
     
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    I'm all for a safety net to help prevent folks from falling through the cracks but we're waaaay beyond that and fully into taking a huge chunk of each of our labor to prop up a large % of the population.......and in taking such a large % from my paycheck it prevents me from saving for my own future/taking care of me and mine right now.....in doing so it in turn ensures a larger and larger % of the population is dependent on gov later in life.....
     
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    I think I have a potential solution and there are no politicians that would have the balls to do it.

    OD and receive narcan, mandatory 5 days in a cell/ locked room. Withdrawal sucks, but they are clean after 5 days. Need another dose? 15 days. Go for a hat trick? 45 days. Keep tripling the time locked up.
    Everyone addicted wants to quit. But it is hard. I think the mistake we make is that we need to get it out of their system before we kick them to the curb.
     
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    In NH, the Narcan carried by paramedics, police, and others, is privately funded.
     
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    Kim, you know that's a five month old post right and that you could have done a little googling yourself lol?

    But for you I'll gladly post a link;
    The Heroin Epidemic of the 1960s
     
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    Remember that scene in the beginning of Blackhawk Down where the warlords are taking control of a crate of air dropped food aid with the mob of people holding out their hands?
     
  14. jpk

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    Yea but this is the US not Somalia
     
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    I'm fine with that. I also believe that it should be a part of a paramedic's standard equipment since it can save lives and that is literally why we have paramedics.

    However, when I have to pay $80 for a f***ing IV that they never managed to successfully insert into my arm (thanks a**h***s) after a car accident and the subsequent $2,000 ambulance trip to the hospital which the police and paramedics would not allow me to refuse, the person revived with Narcan should get the $10/dose bill. This solves the problem.
     
  16. Mark from MA

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    As it should be in MA. I believe in 3 strikes your out for this type of shxt. And only because I feel doctors pedal this shit for injuries they really shouldn't, and it might get a kid hooked. Other than that I've got no fxcking sympathy for people who make poor decisions, and the politicians and bleeding hearts that enable them to suck the life out of taxpayers for stupid shxt.

    Anyone have the total figures that MA spends on Narcan a year? I'd love to know....so I can ask why it's better to spend on Narcan, than spend on school budgets, roads, infrastructure and other things that tax dollar are supposed to pay for.
     
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    Is it truly privately funded or is it like planned parenthood "Privately Funded"?
     
  18. Mark from MA

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    If it's the death penalty, they chose it......remember that fact, stop taking personal responsiblility out of the equation.

    People that play stupid games should win stupid prizes unless they are willing to pay for their healthcare or are covered by health insurance. If your on the dole, then you win the prize. This creates personal responsibility and limits people on the dole for taking high level risks.

    I generally don't do things that are stupid (even though I have insurance) because I know I need to WORK, to pay for my family and myself. I'd list doing any drugs as stupid.

    Car accidents are a different story, and people have mandatory insurance. You should be covered for what your policy is for. If you "chose" to have a minimum policy...then that's your problem. I choose to have extra bodily injury and medical up to 1 million.
    If a claim goes over 1 million, I expect I will be getting a bill, not getting bailed out like people on free Narcan.
     
  19. Mark from MA

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    Exactly....probably bullshxt and hidden somewhere in some taxpayer funded scheme.
     

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