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Start reading the appendices of the lawsuits. A lot of the lawsuits are bogus but others not so much. In at least one case i referenced 3 guys are sitting in a truck, one guys p320 just fires in its holster. There are other documented cases with witnesses too. Something is either breaking in these guns or theres some f***ery afoot like a holster design being a huge part of the problem.
I think most are shit but there are some weird incidents in the margins. This smells eerily similar to the toyota gas pedal BS.This new one, the woman, had a flesh wound and the Cambridge cop didn’t even get hit yet they’re probably suing for millions.
I don’t believe any of these recent cases, I think it’s a money grab
I think most are shit but there are some weird incidents in the margins. This smells eerily similar to the toyota gas pedal BS.
I'm not saying it's not 'technically' possible, it's just I've 'been around' a bit. I've seen memos that make you think 'you had the gall to submit this?'Start reading the appendices of the lawsuits. A lot of the lawsuits are bogus but others not so much. In at least one case i referenced 3 guys are sitting in a truck, one guys p320 just fires in its holster. There are other documented cases with witnesses too. Something is either breaking in these guns or theres some f***ery afoot like a holster design being a huge part of the problem.
Kewl!I saw a HnK with a broken part essentially become a 'binary' type trigger. But there were broken parts in the gun.
Well, it was a 'learning experience' about the 4 rules when the gun fired when the trigger was released, sometimes when it was pulled, sometimes it didn't fire at all.Kewl!
I once saw a Fortran compiler register allocation error
convert a Fibonacci sequence function into a power-of-2 generator.
(It was generating the next number in the sequence
by adding the most recent previous value to itself
instead of summing the two previous values in the sequence).
As far as I know, the guy who fixed it just fixed it
without noticing that the buggy code did something wrong but useful.
But I was gobsmacked at the busted apps' output.
Then again, I have no respect for "circuit benders";
the script kiddies of modern electronics.
If only they applied their shiftless ways to making guns go full auto,
they'd at least be doing something useful for society.
Well, it was a 'learning experience' about the 4 rules when the gun fired when the trigger was released, sometimes when it was pulled, sometimes it didn't fire at all.
Well, in that case Toyota admitted there was a flaw they were covering up and paid Billions quietly in a fine.I think most are shit but there are some weird incidents in the margins. This smells eerily similar to the toyota gas pedal BS.
Eventually, there will be video of it happening. Then, it will be used in lawsuits across the land.
Do you know if it’s been happening with the m17 or m18 or the 320s with the manual safeties?Eventually, there will be video of it happening. Then, it will be used in lawsuits across the land.
Well, in that case Toyota admitted there was a flaw they were covering up and paid Billions quietly in a fine.
I thought is was just the 320's
In one of the lawsuits in the appendix of said lawsuit, there actually IS video referenced inside a police truck. Two cops are in a police truck just talking with each other, one of them, his gun fires in the holster (without him touching it) and the first thing he says to the other guy is "you saw that right, I didnt even touch it!!!!" or something similar. I went digging trying to find the video but apparently it hasn't been made public.
There are other documented cases with these guns to the point where, while some are people covering for negligence, they can't all be liars. There are other incidents that have
witnesses, too.
ETA: also "lawsuits across the land" there are already at least a dozen P320 suits, although some may have been combined with others etc.
There was nothing "quiet" about it. And most of the injury claims were actually bogus, but there WAS a bunch of defective gas pedals that got discovered in the mix of things, but a crazy number of "unintended acceleration" things was liked to shit like idiots stacking floor mats on the drivers side, or non OEM floor mats going under gas pedals etc. Even if you had an OK gas pedal (and I had a jap one at the time) they still went into your car and removed some of the padding below the carpet, restapled it, and then they would also grind off like a quarter inch off the gas pedal itself, to make it less likely some retard would get it stuck under a mat. Then they started putting warning labels on the OEM mats on the drivers side, basically warning people to not stack mats on that side. There was a lot of end user stupidity involved in these UA incidents.
Then there was that a**h*** with the prius, but upon further investigation it turned out he was basically just trying to defraud Toyota. (he crashed his prius and claimed "unintended acceleration" hoping to get a payday out of it.
Early on, Toyota suggested that driver error was to blame, saying that some people may have hit the gas when they meant to hit the brake. Even after issuing recalls to address problematic floor mats that in some cases pinned down accelerators, the company hid a flawed gas pedal design that it knew did the same thing, according to documents accompanying the agreement.
Yeah it was made of BS that they pulled three dead people out of a car and they found three mats on the drivers side..... yes, there were pedal issues in some cars but lots of UA issues were caused by things other than the bad gas pedals.It was the pedal, floormats was made up BS for the public:
Makes sense. I don’t believe they make the M-series without the manual safety, so even though there are a ton of them in the military now, the manual safety must be preventing whatever might be happening with the non-safety p320’s. I don’t know if any of the unintended discharges involved any p320’s with manual safeties.They're all fundamentally the same gun, I just dont think you hear about it with an M series or one of the safety guns because nobody buys those things unless they actually intend to use the
safety... and I bet that safety lever also blocks the gun from firing under adverse circumstances, as well.
Also volume wise there are metric shit-tons more plain P320s in service than Ms, X-fives, etc. (Well, DOD has a bunch of m pistols obviously, but still).
I think that was the dog walking guy but I wouldn't be surprised over that I was a little skeptical reading that lawsuit especially the part where the guy said that the holster blew up and at the same time I'm trying to figure out how the holster exploded if the gun was in it.... even if the gun fired it shouldn't have damaged The holster if the gun was actually holstered when it discharged.... it's not like that holster had a closed mouth.I’m sure some are legit, but the trial lawyers are chasing money in most. The first few years I’d believe those were mostly legit, the recent ones are not ones I’d believe.
A guy in NH sued Sig for this situation, last month he lost (I believe in federal court)
I think that was the dog walking guy but I wouldn't be surprised over that I was a little skeptical reading that lawsuit especially the part where the guy said that the holster blew up and at the same time I'm trying to figure out how the holster exploded if the gun was in it.... even if the gun fired it shouldn't have damaged The holster if the gun was actually holstered when it discharged.... it's not like that holster had a closed mouth.
Ok well hundreds died from the problem and there's 1 or 2 stories of a car with 3 floor mats. Constants, variables and all.Yeah it was made of BS that they pulled three dead people out of a car and they found three mats on the drivers side..... yes, there were pedal issues in some cars but lots of UA issues were caused by things other than the bad gas pedals.