Don't they also invoice in 4-hour blocks? So if the detail lasts 5 hours, the police bill for 8? I remember getting one of these when I worked as an accountant and thinking (wrongly) that it was a mistake.
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Police infighting? Sutton VS MSP
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Don't they also invoice in 4-hour blocks? So if the detail lasts 5 hours, the police bill for 8? I remember getting one of these when I worked as an accountant and thinking (wrongly) that it was a mistake.
You're talking about making the voters hold someone accountable for their actions. When is the last time a typical MA voter has ever done that? Even when the voters have punched the state in the face in the distant past they don't carry their anger far enough for it to mean anything. For example we voted to rollback the income tax and seat belt laws and so on, but yet when it's time to vote for pols, the pols that support that shit (and ignored the referendums) are still getting votes... and some of those votes are coming from the same people who voted for the rollback. The voters in this state are perpetually stupid.
I agree with the concept but the reality is you'd just end up with a bunch of hacks with the same kinds of problems.
-Mike
I love how there are like 20+ stores in that thing easy (and big ones like a Target, etc) yet there's like ONE intersection at the bottom of the mountain where all that crap goes in and out. Walmart Mountain in Lunenburg has the same thing but it's literally a quarter of the size of that place!
-Mike
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I agree, I have never seen such stupid voters in my life as the typical MA voter. Seems like they enjoy being shit upon by most of the politicians. I thought the concept of electing sheriffs was good when I lived in PA, as it generally worked well, though Pittsburgh and Philiadelphia are somewhat exceptions, and not for the better.
Isn't their retirement pay somehow tied into total income in a year? I think I remember someone telling me that NHSP retirement is somehow based on the max earned in a year...so if they rack up all this overtime, it's more retirement pay they'll make when they hand in their uniform? MSP is probably the same way. If it is, not only are you paying OT and who knows what else to these guys sitting on the side of construction sites but you'll also be paying more into their retirement accounts down the road.
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Tell me this isn't a real thing. Dear god, I pray for the people of MA, and I don't even believe in a god!
Doesn't high supply with lower demands means the detail services cost should go down? When the simple rules of supply and demand breaks down, and the people who provide no value to society (pols and regulator) takes away from the contributors, 'ish is really gonna hit the fan soon.
Supply and demand applies to a market based system, not a socialist based utopia.
I just don't understand how they do it here without horrible deadly accidents. I've seen 4 road projects over the weekend, flagmen, but nary a cop. Don't these people know that troopers are our best protection?!?! How could they value their lives so little?! We need police details!
Take a ride to the Blackstone Shoppes in Millbury, MA some time. There are up to six cops there on some days directing traffic. I can't fathom why they have not installed lights yet. Then again, I think I can fathom.
Why not? Isn't that about the going rate for a Master Plumber or Master Electrician? Are you implying that a LEO is worth less than a Plumber?
I know most PD's in the South Shore are anywhere from 30-46 dollars an hour. Some have 4 hour mins some don't. Most have a 10 percent admin fee. NO ONE is at 100 dollars an hour. Not even close. I do not think it deviates much heading West.
It OK to complain about police details, but lets get the facts straight though.
It OK to complain about police details, but lets get the facts straight though.
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MSP making $100 an hour on road jobs?
Not even close.
Not necessarily making that, but billing it I would believe.
I bill close to that in my shop, and my techs aren't making anywhere near that much.
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Garys
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Closer to $50.00 as flagmen are laborers and get paid under the prevailing wage law. While Howie Carr will tell you about how flagmen get minimum wage, the truth is quite different.
Keep in mind that if those cops are doing details, they'll be doing things to increase the court OT.
Garys
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What J.W. said. In other states, OT does count towards retirement, but not here. I don't know if NH is one of those or not. It seems to me that they use a lot of flagmen in NH anyway.
Garys
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BTW, this has been going on for ever. Boston vs the Mets vs the T vs the State. State vs local PD. Mets vs local PD. T vs local PD. The funny thing is that most places have more details than cops to fill them. Which is why you'll see cops from other towns or sheriff's deputies in various odd places. Of course each agency has it's own rules for who gets what detail.
Back when I did details the town had one rate for inside details, another for road jobs, and a third for inside liquor details. Try to keep that straight.
Back when I did details the town had one rate for inside details, another for road jobs, and a third for inside liquor details. Try to keep that straight.
Why not? Isn't that about the going rate for a Master Plumber or Master Electrician? Are you implying that a LEO is worth less than a Plumber?
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Back when I grew up in IL, the flagmen on highway construction projects were typically high school or college students on their summer vacation. They got a vest, a sign, and minimum wage. $30 or $50 for directing traffic? That's effing ridiculous.
I understand details and/or flagmen when a road becomes one lane and traffic needs to pass through.
what I see absolutely no need for is multiple officers on the side of a highway blinding everyone with lights when the lanes are already closed off and literally all they do is park their car for hours
what I see absolutely no need for is multiple officers on the side of a highway blinding everyone with lights when the lanes are already closed off and literally all they do is park their car for hours
Nick Fury
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I remember several years ago when I was living in MA and this debate was in full swing. They had some flagmen working a job and sure enough a few guys were blowing thru the construction site, disobeying and harassing the workers. Turns out it was a few off duty cops doing what many of them seem to do best...harass and intimidate.
There is no need for a police officer to direct traffic. Nor is there any need to pay $30/hr. It doesn't take much training or skill to be able to direct traffic around a construction site.
