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Darkstorm,
I know you are busy. I just wanted to help. Here is a link for you to download that spell application. Enjoy.
http://download.cnet.com/ieSpell/30...dl-ieSpell&subj=uo&tag=button&cdlPid=10603528
I know you are busy. I just wanted to help. Here is a link for you to download that spell application. Enjoy.
http://download.cnet.com/ieSpell/30...dl-ieSpell&subj=uo&tag=button&cdlPid=10603528
I'd say use Firefox for a browser, it has built-in spell checker. I'd also contribute if there were a legal fund. You should also ask the NRA to take up your case. They owe Massachusetts some representation! Good luck.
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With all due respect for your situation, threatening to sue ANYONE without having the threat issued by an attorney is bad strategy. It puts the other side on the defensive, incurs the risk your communication will say something that either tips the opponent off as to your strategy or may be used against you later; and concurrently announces that you are either too cheap, or do not have the funds, to retain legal counsel and are attempting to "do it yourself". If I received a letter from someone telling me that numerous contingency fee attorneys were willing to take their case, I'd wonder why the letter was not on law firm letterhead.
When you throw down the glove, expect the other side to pick it up.
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Perhaps his original post might have included paragraphs. Oftentimes I make posts and hit tsubmit button only to be asked to sign in again. (I am signed in while writing the post, but somehow the system signs me out) This happens all the time.
Initially, I would just edit the post and recreate the paragraphs. Now I hit "preview post" and if the system has signed me out, I sign back in again and then recreate the paragraphs before submitting my post. Though sometimes I still forget.
Point is, the OP may have encountered the dreaded "you must sign in" page, and when he did, and hit submit reply" his post was condensed into a single paragraph.
BTW, does this happen to anyone else?
Can we please just move on with reference to my typing?
This is just silly. So I don't type as perfect as perhaps I should however that does not excuse what has happened. If that is the only "hole" in my story,I'll take it.
I dunno... Just for my personal edification, correct me if I'm wrong.
You were visited by SPD because of a call for well being. They arrived and you agreed to a psychiatric eval. As an adult you had every right to refuse treatment, provided you didn't tell them you were thinking about killing yourself, because in that case they have a duty to act. The doctor you saw was of the opinion that you were a high risk for suicide and was extremely concerned about your access to firearms. That being the case, as the licensing authority (if I'm not mistaken, I know my department is the licensing authority in my city), SPD found it appropriate to suspend your license and confiscate your firearms in order to protect you from yourself. You gave SPD the combination to your home safe. They took your guns and ammo. You got appropriate treatment (I hope) and now you're a functioning member of society again, right?
If I'm correct, I don't think you have grounds to be filing suit against the department, because they seem to have done everything correct (the conclusion that the Chief and Town Manager also came to). Perhaps you should be blaming the girl that called in the well being check, or maybe accepting a little (lot) of the responsibility yourself. All these allegations you're making about abuse and false promises after the fact seem like sour grapes. I do think your suspension should be lifted but that's in the hands of SPD and if you've burned your bridges with them, you may be SOL. Good luck with the case.
I "agreed" to go to UMMH as I was told by SPD If I did not go,they could have me confined for up to 7 days.
Second: While at UMMH,the police came back and DEMANDED the key to my home and my gun safe combo. I was told at that point and I quote " We will take down your door and blow your safe" I was not even allowed to call my family or lawyer. I was locked in a small room. They held all the cards! What the hell would you have done?
Third: Do you really think the Dr. is not a SPD parrot? The so called Dr. said I was at risk for the following reasons: 1st: A recent break-up. 2nd: I was a white male,middles class. 3rd: I had firearms. Please,thats most of the guys I know.I have all of that in writing. Believe what you will. Also what is this treatment you speak of? I saw 3 shrinks and one medical Dr. and was sent home after 1.5 hours. Why don't you read the whole story before you make an ass of yourself.
Settle down there, just asking some questions... I have read the "facts" from beginning to end of both threads, now I was asking you to confirm my shortened interpretation. My problem is that you don't seem to accept any personal responsibility whatsoever. Everything is someone elses fault. Now you're a conspiracy theorist claiming the shrink was an "SPD parrot". C'mon man, this is like a bad soap opera. Everyone here jumps in on the pity party because guns were involved, but frankly it looks like you were the tool of your own undoing from my standpoint. You can write whatever you want, hurl insults and cry that I don't know the "whole story", but this picture you paint of gestapo police dragging you from your cozy home, threatening your life if you don't comply, committing you for a whole hour and a half, then stealing all your guns is just total lunacy. Again, you've recieved your treatment, you should have your suspension lifted, but I think your story is total horseshit, drummed up to make your case to get your LTC back more convincing.
Drummed up? Then I suppose the whole police report was made up as well? You have to be a leo. I'll make a deal with you.
As I don't hide behind some screen name,post or pm your real name and the town you live in along with your home address. At some point I will call your local police dept.,make up a story as was done to me and you can see them in action. Why you are againist me is odd.
We all can form our own opinions on this matter. However,I have all the paper work to back up my story. I's to bad you seem to think I'm some sort of a liar.
Futhermore just what responsibility should I live up to? I did just what the police told me to do. All I asked was,after being read my right's was to invoke them. Is that wrong? Why this woman who made a phony phone call and took a number of officers of the street was not subject to any sort of punishment is beyond me. Again,please tell me what the hell I did wrong? If my story story is horseshit,please explain SPD's own report which the now new Chief says is false? Did 5 of Shrewsbury's best lie? Before you speak,please,understand ALL the facts. I will be happy to pm or post my phone # so anyone else out here thinks I'm a liar. I'll even go so far as to fax you all the info.
I have nothing to hide and to be honest,I don't understand why you see fit to attack me. However,that is your choice.I hope it never happens to you,even as much as I find your attitude foolish.
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Which is not the fault of the police. They responded appropriately. I agree that if the information that they recieved was false then the person calling should be held accountable.
But... in your situation you have stated that the female that called has retracted her story saying that she did not wish to have brought you this trouble. I have not heard that the information she gave them was false though!! I have only heard that she felt bad she called. Big Difference!
Her information was further corroborated by a doctor as well.
I don't think he is calling you a liar as much as he is confused by what you say are facts and whether or not you have as much of an argument as some think.
You don't need to ask anyone for permission to excercise the first right you are read. "You have the right to remain silent!"
You did not and you consented to the additional police involvement. I am not defending the police actions if what you say is true regarding their tactics but you did consent.
I have yet to see any evidence that what she said was false! You have only stated that she is remorseful that she called. If she did lie then she should be held accountable.
I do not see where he attacked you. He was simply asking you questions.
Good luck in your crusade but I feel that you have a uphill battle from a legal standpoint.
My statements are being made from my comprehension of what you have written and not meant to be judgemental.
dwarven1
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I stand by what I said - to someone else. You quoting it in this thread makes it look like I said that to someone in this thread - and I did not. If my response bothers you, you are free to neg rep it if you want.
We want to help you because by doing so, we help ourselves. It's all too easy to read your story and realize that something similar could happen to us here in this socialist heaven.
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OK, so I half agree with both FiXXer's view and, albeit a forced dead issue, with Rich's comments. Rich responded to an out of the blue post by yourself and righteously pointed out that, yes, with such a poorly written summary of such a serious situation, that it sounds a bit on the, if nothing else, suspicious side. So, with Rich's comments aside, I find FiXXer's comments quite reasonable. He essentially broke down the facts as presented. What do you think will happen in a court room if it goes that far? It will probably much worse. You would be crucified and made out to be a just what FiXXer surmised, an irresponsible person with problems created by yourself, and that sir, is exactly what the police chief sees as unfit to own firearms.
Along with what FiXXer said, you also have a history of litigation issues that are work related. So, first you have an ex that you claim caused all these problems, now we know aside from your personal problems you also have problems in your work life. Not a pretty picture of a track record. I think to come to a resolution with the current legal issue of your character of that not being suitable to own firearms, you first first resolve the issue you claim to have caused all this, your ex. Why did she make that call out of the blue and from someone living so far away? What contact do you still have that warranted such an attack from her? History not looking good on the family life either, nothing personal, just calling it as it has been laid out. To clear this up you should be suing her for character deformation or something of that nature, IANAL. A positive result in that would solidify the all those follow up letters and calls you say she has made to retract her statement. Those retractions mean nothing after the fact you have acted in such a disorganized, unprofessional, and aggressive nature towards the police, maybe righteously, but not very tactfully. Those actions alone, after the fact, would be enough for the chief to conclude you are unsuitable.
Listen, I do not know you, as no one does on this forum, and I find it somewhat disconcerting that so many would jump on the bandwagon to help out another that has shown such disparity. Again, I would not be all cozy with the ex that has not only screwed up your 'right' to own firearms, but has also caused problems with your neighbors, work, and other aspects of your life as a result of her phone call. And what exactly was said in that phone call to get such a reaction by local police? There are just to many questionable aspects to this case to see it as cut and dry as you'd want us to...
In any respect, this was not meant to flame you. I just think that how someone presents himself and what has happened to them is a great reflection on character to those who do not know you at all. I may be completely wrong, I hope I am, and with that said, I hope the best for you personally and with your fight ahead.
Along with what FiXXer said, you also have a history of litigation issues that are work related. So, first you have an ex that you claim caused all these problems, now we know aside from your personal problems you also have problems in your work life. Not a pretty picture of a track record. I think to come to a resolution with the current legal issue of your character of that not being suitable to own firearms, you first first resolve the issue you claim to have caused all this, your ex. Why did she make that call out of the blue and from someone living so far away? What contact do you still have that warranted such an attack from her? History not looking good on the family life either, nothing personal, just calling it as it has been laid out. To clear this up you should be suing her for character deformation or something of that nature, IANAL. A positive result in that would solidify the all those follow up letters and calls you say she has made to retract her statement. Those retractions mean nothing after the fact you have acted in such a disorganized, unprofessional, and aggressive nature towards the police, maybe righteously, but not very tactfully. Those actions alone, after the fact, would be enough for the chief to conclude you are unsuitable.
Listen, I do not know you, as no one does on this forum, and I find it somewhat disconcerting that so many would jump on the bandwagon to help out another that has shown such disparity. Again, I would not be all cozy with the ex that has not only screwed up your 'right' to own firearms, but has also caused problems with your neighbors, work, and other aspects of your life as a result of her phone call. And what exactly was said in that phone call to get such a reaction by local police? There are just to many questionable aspects to this case to see it as cut and dry as you'd want us to...
In any respect, this was not meant to flame you. I just think that how someone presents himself and what has happened to them is a great reflection on character to those who do not know you at all. I may be completely wrong, I hope I am, and with that said, I hope the best for you personally and with your fight ahead.
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By asking if it "pisses you off" I meant in the sense of the question of suitability not by using your quote.
If the suitability pisses you off then "Too bad. Complain to your state representative." By the way, I prefaced your quote with this:
"The firearm laws must be changed in this state because they are so unfair and although I do not totally agree with this statement in your case:"
The only way things will change is if people get pissed off.
Thanks for the permission to Neg Rep you but I see no need
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If you invoked the first you would not have needed counsel at the scene. Your response should have been along the lines of " I will cooperate fully officers upon consultation with counsel" and to then remain silent.
I am not making you the bad guy....only pointing out where you may have made mistakes and where you may have an uphill battle legally.
You are not answering my question and seem to be dancing around it.
Has she stated that she fabricated the story? Or is she simply taking back her statement?
There is a BIG difference. One means she lied the other simply states she is no longer willing to cooperate.
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Agreed!
Do not take this the wrong way Darkstorm as this is to the other posters here.
I find it bizarre that so many here are willing to blindly donate to a legal defense fund and get the NRA and GOAL behind someone they do not know anything about without knowing any more. Kind of bizarre if you ask me.
She has taken back her ENTIRE story. I ,as well as Shrewsbury Police, have it on file. I assume you have not read the whole story. After being read my right's I asked to consult with my lawyer approx. 12 times. Even after being told " You can't" I still did as I was told. They had there guns,I was in a robe and handcuffed. What the hell should I have done? I did not resist or fight back in any manner. There own report bears that out.
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"A history of litigation issues that are work related"? You are reaching now. A client owed me a $100,000.00 dollars . What would you do? You must be very rich,good for you however a 100 k is a lot of money to me.
Futhermore,what the hell does this have to do with the story at hand?
+1 Threatening members here is a good way to get banned.
maybe a good time to close this thred??? before things get out of hand??? maybe all questions can be taken to PM. This could turn into a legal issue, ie; submited in court later on, or at least i would think.Yes, absolutely. But in this case I didn't read it as an actual threat, but rather the OP trying to make a point about what happened to him (of course Ham Slam would have the last word on how it was perceived). Regardless, it probably could have been worded differently.
I see. It's hard to the intent from reading.
