Picked up my first M1 garand! Any info appreciated

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Been on the hunt for a m1 and finally found one somewhat locally that I was able to trade some items towards. The CMP forum seems to be dealing with a lot of errors lately so research there has been limited.

It’s a Springfield Armory serial # 2002xxx. I believe it to be an Oct. 1943 receiver with the heal lead dipped. The receiver leg looks to be double marked RRAD 6-66 and sports a 11-65 SA barrel. The gun was sold from the CMP in 2019 (grade not on certificate but I believe it’s a service grade). I’ve shot it and it functions great! Any information or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks
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If he fears that he can clean his gun. Garands come apart in totality pretty easily. It's amazing how modular they are for the age.
JCG goal way back in the early 30s when he started thinking about it.
Funny I look at JMB designs and he runs from one extreme to another.
I also like the differences between the 2
JMB designed stuff and sold it off for others to build.
JCG designed the gun , tooling , special machines and even the production lay out
 
Don't run shitty ammo in it. Use korean, greek or us milsurp if you can get your hands on it.
Somewhere there's a list of garand safe 150ish grain commercial loads too.
For what you can find for surplus M2 ball for …..just buy new and learn to reload.
Your un likely to find anything the CMP warns about for less than the S&B orPPU M2 ball offerings , S&B was just on sale for .82 cents/rnd

Its mostly the heavy hitting 30-06 , 180 grain plus offerings that use slower powder that can be a problem. Slower powders over tax the gas system with to much pressure and volume. With the op rod taking the brunt of that hit.
Any commercial safe ammo should not blow up your M1 NOTE : the youngest M1s are what 70 years old so anything can happen . BUT run 220 grain hunting load , loaded with a slow powder to keep pushing that slug down a 24” barrel to retain velocity can run into issues for sure

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I’d stay away from the Korean mil-surp ammo. Some of it is corrosive.
Some Korean 30-06 goes KB (kaboom) as well. Sorting out which lots of Korean 30-06 are safe is easy if you avoid ALL of it. Not just internet hearsay- I was standing next to a guy during a winter match when a Korean round blew up his rifle and messed up his face. My shorts were the only other casualty. Seriously, that stuff is to be avoided unless you are going to use it for pull-downs and reload it with a known powder.
If he fears that he can clean his gun. Garands come apart in totality pretty easily. It's amazing how modular they are for the age.

Really a slick design and easy enough to disassemble. Not so easy that you want to do it every time you shoot because you used corrosive ammo.
 
Some Korean 30-06 goes KB (kaboom) as well. Sorting out which lots of Korean 30-06 are safe is easy if you avoid ALL of it. Not just internet hearsay- I was standing next to a guy during a winter match when a Korean round blew up his rifle and messed up his face. My shorts were the only other casualty. Seriously, that stuff is to be avoided unless you are going to use it for pull-downs and reload it with a known powder.


Really a slick design and easy enough to disassemble. Not so easy that you want to do it every time you shoot because you used corrosive ammo.
Just piss down the barrel and spray it down with PAM , lol
Its just me , but theres zero reason to shoot the Korean shit . Heck even all that old LC and HXP if your buying it now ( unless its really cheap) is just not worth it.
 
Been on the hunt for a m1 and finally found one somewhat locally that I was able to trade some items towards. The CMP forum seems to be dealing with a lot of errors lately so research there has been limited.

It’s a Springfield Armory serial # 2002xxx. I believe it to be an Oct. 1943 receiver with the heal lead dipped. The receiver leg looks to be double marked RRAD 6-66 and sports a 11-65 SA barrel. The gun was sold from the CMP in 2019 (grade not on certificate but I believe it’s a service grade). I’ve shot it and it functions great! Any information or opinions would be appreciated. Thanks
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Wow, that's a fantastic M1. Pic of the entire rifle? Sometimes people get lucky but CMP sourced M1's lately have been hit and miss. For sure I haven't seen many as nice as yours including when I've been to the North Store at Camp Perry and the store at Talladega Marksmanship Park. I have a lead dipped Winchester, wasn't aware of Springfields. Nice milled trigger guard. For sure that's a service grade.

Looks like it's lubed up. Worth checking to see if the op rod spring is lubed and do so if it's not. Make sure the rear sight is tight enough. Given the RRAD rebuild and barrel date, probably that bore is in great shape. M1's hold their value at a minimum, and generally have been increasing in value. Arsenal rebuilds have their own following as well.
 
Plenty of opportunities to shoot that bad boy in CMP matches locally this year:

5/3 - Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
5/17 - Pelham Fish & Game, Pelham, NH
5/18 - Old Colony Sportsmens, Pembroke, MA
5/25 - Reading Rifle & Revolver, Reading, MA
6/8 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
6/21 - Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
6/21 - Riverside Gun Club, Hudson, MA (100yds reduced)
7/13 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
7/31-8/3 - National GSSM Matches - Camp Perry, OH
8/3 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
8/16 - Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
8/16 - Riverside Gun Club, Hudson, MA (100yds reduced)
8/30 - Pelham Fish & Game, Pelham, NH
9/6 - Two B-Course 50-shot matches, M1 and M1903, Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
9/6 - Pelham Fish & Game, Pelham, NH
9/7 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
9/20 - Riverside Gun Club, Hudson, MA (100yds reduced)
9/20-9/22 - GSSM Matches, New England Travel Games, Fort Ethan Allen, Vermont
10/4 - Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
10/5 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
10/25 - Mass State M1 Garand Championship - Reading Rifle & Revolver, Reading, MA
11/2 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
11/8 - Reading Rifle & Revolver
12/6 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
 
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Wow, that's a fantastic M1. Pic of the entire rifle? Sometimes people get lucky but CMP sourced M1's lately have been hit and miss. For sure I haven't seen many as nice as yours including when I've been to the North Store at Camp Perry and the store at Talladega Marksmanship Park. I have a lead dipped Winchester, wasn't aware of Springfields. Nice milled trigger guard. For sure that's a service grade.

Looks like it's lubed up. Worth checking to see if the op rod spring is lubed and do so if it's not. Make sure the rear sight is tight enough. Given the RRAD rebuild and barrel date, probably that bore is in great shape. M1's hold their value at a minimum, and generally have been increasing in value. Arsenal rebuilds have their own following as well.
Thanks! The Mw was right around 1. I don’t have a TE tool but I can’t imagine it be much.
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Plenty of opportunities to shoot that bad boy in CMP matches locally this year:

5/3 - Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
5/17 - Pelham Fish & Game, Pelham, NH
5/18 - Old Colony Sportsmens, Pembroke, MA
5/25 - Reading Rifle & Revolver, Reading, MA
6/8 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
6/21 - Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
6/21 - Riverside Gun Club, Hudson, MA (100yds reduced)
7/13 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
7/31-8/3 - National GSSM Matches - Camp Perry, OH
8/3 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
8/16 - Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
6/21 - Riverside Gun Club, Hudson, MA (100yds reduced)
8/30 - Pelham Fish & Game, Pelham, NH
9/6 - Two B-Course 50-shot matches, M1 and M1903, Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
9/6 - Pelham Fish & Game, Pelham, NH
9/7 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
9/20 - Riverside Gun Club, Hudson, MA (100yds reduced)
9/20-9/22 - GSSM Matches, New England Travel Games, Fort Ethan Allen, Vermont
10/4 - Chicopee Sportsmens, Granby, MA
10/5 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
10/25 - Mass State M1 Garand Championship - Reading Rifle & Revolver, Reading, MA
11/2 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
11/8 - Reading Rifle & Revolver
12/6 - Old Colony Sportsmens. Pembroke, MA
Thanks for sharing!
Recovering from a knee surgery currently so that’ll be on my list once I’m up and running 👍
 
I recommend buying SR-1 targets (or equivalent targets for ranges other than 100 yards). I enjoy milsurps much more when shooting at actual marksmanship targets. And a web sling if you don't already have.
If your going to shoot in cmp games the SR target is good to have. Even for Service Rifle aka Across the course
Shooting known distance and target size its good to practice with correct size targets
I practice with pellet gun 25 yards 1.5” black aiming dot aperture sights
3” black at 50 with the 22s
 
Wow, that's a fantastic M1. Pic of the entire rifle? Sometimes people get lucky but CMP sourced M1's lately have been hit and miss. For sure I haven't seen many as nice as yours including when I've been to the North Store at Camp Perry and the store at Talladega Marksmanship Park. I have a lead dipped Winchester, wasn't aware of Springfields. Nice milled trigger guard. For sure that's a service grade.

Looks like it's lubed up. Worth checking to see if the op rod spring is lubed and do so if it's not. Make sure the rear sight is tight enough. Given the RRAD rebuild and barrel date, probably that bore is in great shape. M1's hold their value at a minimum, and generally have been increasing in value. Arsenal rebuilds have their own following as well.
Learn how to tighten the rear sight correctly . Check the front sight also .
 
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Your Garand was overhauled in Texas at the Red River Army Depot during the Vietnam War.

The post-war rebuild rifles are very nice rifles.


Assuming you are a competant marksman and you want to make the rifle as accurate as it can be, you can probably (repeat: probably) knock a good couple inches off your group by match-fitting the stock.

There are plenty of good tutorials online, if you are interested in doing it yourself.

Here is Gus Fisher on the subject of fitting a CMP Stock for accuracy:


For stock work this Red Devil Scraper does a helluva nice job.


You can get them razor sharp (and keep them sharp) with a couple strokes of a mill bastard file.

The most important accuracy mod is to make sure the operating rod isn't making contact with the stock when the rifle cycles.

Google: Garand Tilt Test.

Look for shiny spots/wear, and relieve the wood until the operating rod no longer rubs.

Gus Fisher also recommends relieving the top of the stock from just behind the receiver legs to a couple inches in front of the heel of the receiver (see photo). Not a lot, just enough to allow a thin sliver of light through to be seen under the receiver.

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The rear handguard should have a sliver of space (just a business-card thickness) between it and the front of the receiver, just a little play so the handguard doesn't pinch and crack when the rifle heats up in sustained firing.

The front/upper handguard (near the gas cylinder) should also have a business-card's space between it and the gas cylinder.

It isn't difficult to accomplish the mods, but you do need to completely disassemble the rifle, remove the gas lock and cylinder, etc. Shortening the rear/lower handguard takes just a couple or three strokes while standing the handguard perfectly vertical on a flat surface atop a piece of 100 or 120 grit sandpaper. I wrap the handguard carefully with masking tape, leaving only a small sliver wood. The masking tape helps ensure that the material you are removing from handguard is perfectly square, and that you do not remove too much. With fresh sandpaper a couple or three strokes will do it. For the front/upper handguard, make sure the handguard's metal hardware is seated firmly. A block of wood and a mallet helps. If it is still too long, careful work with a dremel tool will help shorten it. Touch up any bare wood with Minwax Dark Walnut or Purple Mahogany, let it dry good, then seal it with Linseed oil or Real (repeat: REAL) Tung oil. Real Tung Oil comes in a plastic jug. Fake tung oil comes in cans. It's basically varnish--rubbing varnish.

Good luck. She looks like a sweet rifle.
 
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Your Garand was overhauled in Texas at the Red River Army Depot during the Vietnam War.

The post-war rebuild rifles are very nice rifles.


Assuming you are a competant marksman and you want to make the rifle as accurate as it can be, you can probably (repeat: probably) knock a good couple inches off your group by match-fitting the stock.

There are plenty of good tutorials online, if you are interested in doing it yourself.

Here is Gus Fisher on the subject of fitting a CMP Stock for accuracy:


For stock work this Red Devil Scraper does a helluva nice job.


You can get them razor sharp (and keep them sharp) with a couple strokes of a mill bastard file.

The most important accuracy mod is to make sure the operating rod isn't making contact with the stock when the rifle cycles.

Google: Garand Tilt Test.

Look for shiny spots/wear, and relieve the wood until the operating rod no longer rubs.

Gus Fisher also recommends relieving the top of the stock from just behind the receiver legs to a couple inches in front of the heel of the receiver (see photo). Not a lot, just enough to allow a thin sliver of light through to be seen under the receiver.

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The rear handguard should have a sliver of space (just a business-card thickness) between it and the front of the receiver, just a little play so the handguard doesn't pinch and crack when the rifle heats up in sustained firing.

The front/upper handguard (near the gas cylinder) should also have a business-card's space between it and the gas cylinder.

It isn't difficult to accomplish the mods, but you do need to completely disassemble the rifle, remove the gas lock and cylinder, etc. Shortening the rear/lower handguard takes just a couple or three strokes while standing the handguard perfectly vertical on a flat surface atop a piece of 100 or 120 grit sandpaper. I wrap the handguard carefully with masking tape, leaving only a small sliver wood. The masking tape helps ensure that the material you are removing from handguard is perfectly square, and that you do not remove too much. With fresh sandpaper a couple or three strokes will do it. For the front/upper handguard, make sure the handguard's metal hardware is seated firmly. A block of wood and a mallet helps. If it is still too long, careful work with a dremel tool will help shorten it. Touch up any bare wood with Minwax Dark Walnut or Purple Mahogany, let it dry good, then seal it with Linseed oil or Real (repeat: REAL) Tung oil. Real Tung Oil comes in a plastic jug. Fake tung oil comes in cans. It's basically varnish--rubbing varnish.

Good luck. She looks like a sweet rifle.
Thanks for the info! That was a good read on the rebuilds.
One of my concerns was that the gas cylinder has a small amount of movement side to side within the barrel splines. I very lightly peened them and it made a slight difference. The cylinder has the saw cut but tightening that didn’t seem to snug it down anymore.
I was debating ordering a NOS gas cylinder and hope that it was provide the right fit that some talk about. After shooting it tho I think it performs well.
 
Thanks for the info! That was a good read on the rebuilds.
One of my concerns was that the gas cylinder has a small amount of movement side to side within the barrel splines. I very lightly peened them and it made a slight difference. The cylinder has the saw cut but tightening that didn’t seem to snug it down anymore.
I was debating ordering a NOS gas cylinder and hope that it was provide the right fit that some talk about. After shooting it tho I think it performs well.
For the splines
Take a small socket like 10-13 mm place it on the splines about 1/4” coverage
Give each spline a nice tap , test fit
There is no need to pean the whole length , plus if you make a mistake its less work to fix it.
Once you get it snug leave it alone. Theres little need to remove the gas cylinder after you get it fitted
Fitting the gas key nut takes a little more work . Dont get to hung up on that.
Make sure the gas port is fully exposed and call it good. . I prefer sold gas plugs , one less thing to fail .
 
For the splines
Take a small socket like 10-13 mm place it on the splines about 1/4” coverage
Give each spline a nice tap , test fit
There is no need to pean the whole length , plus if you make a mistake its less work to fix it.
Once you get it snug leave it alone. Theres little need to remove the gas cylinder after you get it fitted
Fitting the gas key nut takes a little more work . Dont get to hung up on that.
Make sure the gas port is fully exposed and call it good. . I prefer sold gas plugs , one less thing to fail .
Good to know, thanks.
Gas key and plug look good and I think fitment is good.
The light peening I had done was with a 1/4 socket so maybe I’ll go back and do it some more.
 
Good to know, thanks.
Gas key and plug look good and I think fitment is good.
The light peening I had done was with a 1/4 socket so maybe I’ll go back and do it some more.
Just do a little at a time
Pean the reward portion try a 10mm
I cant tell you if 10mm vs 13mm is any better ….i have used what ever I grab on several rifles.
 
Beautiful rifle. Years ago I wanted to get one when prices were not insane. There was a chromed parade rifle in a barrel that caught my eye but I never pulled the trigger on it. Not one to be concerned with originality, a rebuild would have been no big deal and as long as it is accurate, looks don't matter. I would be the guy with a stainless rifle with synthetic stock if it were possible. Lol
 
Thanks for the info! That was a good read on the rebuilds.
One of my concerns was that the gas cylinder has a small amount of movement side to side within the barrel splines. I very lightly peened them and it made a slight difference. The cylinder has the saw cut but tightening that didn’t seem to snug it down anymore.
I was debating ordering a NOS gas cylinder and hope that it was provide the right fit that some talk about. After shooting it tho I think it performs well.

Peening the barrel splines pays rich dividends--any movement of the front sight will instantly translate into a loss of accuracy downrange as it shifts/resets from shot to shot.

Here is some info on the saw cut gas cylinders:

Saw cut gas cylinders (experimental)...

Basically it looks like it is correct for your RRAD rebuild, if that matters to you.

Do you have a micrometer? Measure the nibs on the gas cylinder and see if they are in spec. If they are, you'll just have to work the barrel splines a bit. Don't hit it too hard. A little goes a long way. The steel of the barel is way softer than the steel of the gas cylinder. Maybe consider a high-temp industrial Loctite if peening fails to deliver.

You can get a basic micrometer for $22 at Harbor Freight:

Here...

The IGauging gets good reviews at Amazon, and measures to .0005 of an inch--that's PFG for Garand work.

$49.99 IGauging at Amazon...

If/when you have the front handguard off, clean the gas lock good and thread it on the barrel. Match armorers liked to time gas locks to a barrel so they bottomed out at 5:30 or so, then tightened down to 6:00. That removes all the play from the gas lock. Then you gently drive the gas cylinder forward to mate to it, which provides best stability. You need access to a shitload of gas locks to get one to time perfectly. I've got maybe 20 of them, and it is a bit hit and miss. Sometimes you get lucky.
 
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ETA on the removing rear handguard. The best/safest way to remove them for fitting (without stressing/cracking them) is to remove the gas cylinder and front handguard, then drive out the roll pin holding the ferrule on the barrel. Gently take the front ferrule off the barrel, rotating it slightly and pulling straight forward to keep it perfectly square to the barrel (you want it tight), then pull the rear handguard straight forward toward the muzzle and off the barrel. That way you don't have to f*** with the handguard clip. To reinstall, hook it by the handguard clip on one side then roll it down/on until the handguard clip snaps into the groove.
 
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