^^this
also, don't ask about policy.
best thing can do is make security walk to car every single day.
let them hire another 300 security guards so they can understand the implications of disarmament.
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^^this
also, don't ask about policy.
best thing can do is make security walk to car every single day.
let them hire another 300 security guards so they can understand the implications of disarmament.
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Unless you're a stripper nobody is getting a security escort to their car after work.
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They'll just say you're on your own beyond the door. While on their premises you play by their rules.Unless you're a stripper nobody is getting a security escort to their car after work.
in my world they have to escort employee to their car. they also have to make a note that you arrived to your car so you can't claim otherwise.
sounds like security in your place of work is crappy. what is the point of a security escort if it's only part of the way to your car/public transit.
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Where the hell do you work that your company will give you an escort to your car, or that you might actually need it? Do you actually use it? What happens at 5PM? Do they have a whole crapload of security dudes show up to hold everyone's hands? Will they walk out to your car in the morning to walk you to the office too?
Are you under the impression that a security escort like this is standard at the majority of employers out there, because it sounds like you are?
Where the hell do you work that your company will give you an escort to your car, or that you might actually need it? Do you actually use it? What happens at 5PM? Do they have a whole crapload of security dudes show up to hold everyone's hands? Will they walk out to your car in the morning to walk you to the office too?
Are you under the impression that a security escort like this is standard at the majority of employers out there, because it sounds like you are?
no i agree the policy is garbage but where i work management actually advises us to "ask for escort if we feel we need it".
in some situations people have to park in shady areas. i don't request any security escort but i know many females who do.
if they fail to escort someone safely, and indeed somebody is assaulted, then you better believe the place of employment will share a degree of liability. they will be sued since the injury occurred in the setting of job.
their concern for employees stems not from actual care but financial liability.
regardless, we are getting off topic as usually happens here. the OP mentioned vigilance which simply makes no sense if somebody is disarmed.
while i agree vigilance is important, it has nothing to do with being unable to defend oneself.
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That's stupid. It's not a liability thing if they're off your premises and not still on the clock. If they are still on the clock (i.e. visiting a client or worksite of some kind) it's a different story, otherwise the policy might be a feel good measure, or maybe an incentive to have people work late, or in locations that they're not comfortable commuting to, but not a liability issue.
The answer to that is "You don't have to be here. You make a choice to come into this building, as such, you know the rules, you make the choice"
Personally, I'd be elsewhere but I know that isn't always a possible choice for some
Yup. My work is a corporation and has that same wording. Basically if some scumbag goes to rob you and you pop them, their family can sue the company. You're replaceable and it costs them less to pay for your death at work based on your company paid life insurance. (2x salary at my place) than it would be to pay millions to the "victims" family, the misunderstood one who was turning his life around while robbing you. The company's response to a question about carrying is that we are employees at will and we don't have to work there
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I like that policy.
Need a senior Network Administrator, manager or director of IT?
I'd settle for any of those positions as well.
Everyone in my immediate family has one of those.
Concealed means concealed. Fvck them and their no gun rules. If it isn't .gov or a school, the can kiss my ass, I am carrying. In my whole client base, there are only 2 clients big enough that I would sweat it if I were 'caught' carrying, and one of them I have had cape codders on his deck while we talk about .308 bolt actions, so I guess it's really just one. That 'one' happens to be in Boston - about 1 block from downtown crossing....and I am often there at night. For those trips I have taken to carrying my 'regular' EDC with 2 extra mags and a backup piece in my laptop bag.
That sucks. My company states that no weapons, specifically guns, are allowed on company property (in the facility or stored on the parking lot). However, the policy specifically exempts chemical sprays so I can carry pepper spray if I choose to do so. I carry a pocket knife but I use that to open boxes while at work.
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Relatively few private employers have armed security. Not sure how much safer that escort makes you other than safety in numbers.
My employer does offer security escort to your car if asked, but I've never felt the need.
My employer does offer security escort to your car if asked, but I've never felt the need.
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Most very large (think Fortune 500) companies do have armed security, but they serve only to protect the most senior executives - and sometimes just the CEO. Where do you think all those FBI agents that have to retire at age 55 go for their second career job? (ok, some of them end up at retail chains tracking down employee theft).
It is generally not openly disclosed or discussed, and it would be bad form for an employee who knew of the "armed arrangement" to openly discuss it.
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Right, but the tens of thousands of factories, schools, malls, supermarkets and so on that have security, generally that security is the unarmed variety. Many of those are there for insurance or liability purposes, or as canaries.
Alright, I am so sick of hearing people say "concealed means concealed". Well no kidding. Saying it is both redundant and pointless. Yes, it is all well and good, assuming you never need to use it. But how does that help you when you get fired for using it? It doesn't. We all need to make a personal decision on doing what you feel necessary. Would I carry even if an employer prohibited it? Sure. But saying "concealed means concealed" is of no benefit and irrelevant as it stands in regards to a policy. Might as well tell people that "concealed means concealed" when it comes to carrying a gun in MA, (for example), when that individual doesn't have an unrestricted LTC-A. I mean, why not? Concealed means concealed right?
When you are carrying concealed and have to use your weapon. Why would you care if you get fired? At least you had another chance to see your family.
I would take that chance every day all day.
How do you use a concealed firearm or pepper spray without anyone knowing about it while it is still concealed? I mean, if "concealed means concealed" right?
I work for a company in the city of Boston. A couple weeks ago HR sends an email forwarded by our building manager warning about a recent spike in assaults and robberies, asking people to be vigilant. Responding to this, I asked HR if it would be ok have pepper spray on me. Got answer today, of course not.Company policy prohibits possession of firearms or other weapons while on the premises. HR clarified to me that "or other weapons" includes pepper spray.
A pen can be a weapon. A cane a hammer...so none of those either?
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I agree with the why ask folks. But that cat is out of the bag, so now I agree with those saying you should either do what you need to stay alive, or just call security morning and night to walk you to your car. Make sure you call them about 20 minutes early, so they are there when you have to leave. Check out this post:
"alternative" knives
"alternative" knives
the point is that you carry it anyways, concealed, not discussing it with anyone you work with who would make a fuss. there is no need to bring attention to it, as it's a concealed defensive firearm.
at the point where you have to use it, it's no longer concealed (obviously), but now you have a chance at least. yes you'll lose your job, but you keep your life. thats the point most of us have been making.
This.
Pepper spray, mace etc. never worked very well. I have seen several demonstrations where these devices failed utterly in the face of a determined attacker. There are better ways to defend yourself. Check out the poisons and sprays available at your local hardware store.
These don't immediately look like pepper spray. The kind of look like pen-flashlights if you ask me.
Asp Defender. Comes in 3 sizes.
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And just think how excited Dan Rea will be!
