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Skysoldier said:
There is a swimming pool right outside my apartment, and we sometimes get people showing up to use it that don't live here.

Usually, it is one or two Moms, and some kids. And it usually in the middle of the day, when no one is using the pool anyway.

Most of the folks in my building are senior citizens, and we don't really use the pool. But we do pay for it by sharing the water bill and the electric bill.

I enjoy watching kids enjoy the pool, and as long as they respect the property and don't get noisy or leave a mess, I am happy to contribute to the kids having
a chance to cool off in this heat. After all, people also pay taxes for public pools all over town, what is the difference?

What does bother me are the old biddies that constantly bitch about it. You know, the ones who walk there dog out front and don't clean up after them, because
they think it is the Property Management's responsibility.

We also have a large pond on the property, filled with ducks, fish and snapping turtles. I don't mind people using it to have a picnic.....the more people around
the better the chance that nefarious folks stay away.

Some things are just not worth getting upset about. Except dog shit.....dog shit really pisses me off!
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Who has to deal with a lawsuit if one of the kids drowns?
 
headednorth said:
Is that accurate? I thought that someone jumping a fence or walking through a closed gate, etc would do it regardless if there was a sign posted or not. If they should reasonably know theyre trespassing and make an effort to do so I thought would be good enough.
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In your hypo, the fence and gate are intended to bar entry. Jumping the fence means you're ignoring an attempt to keep unwelcome people out. Going around or over a closed gate does the same.

If you jump a turnstile at a train station, you're trespassing. Same with fences, gates, doors, walls, etc.
 
C. Stockwell said:
In your hypo, the fence and gate are intended to bar entry. Jumping the fence means you're ignoring an attempt to keep unwelcome people out. Going around or over a closed gate does the same.

If you jump a turnstile at a train station, you're trespassing. Same with fences, gates, doors, walls, etc.
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Yeah thats pretty much what I was saying. Under certain circumstances, its trespassing regardless of whether there are signs there or not. A bit of a pet peeve of mine that I hear people repeat relatively often. Similar to "hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk and youre always 100% f*cked".
 
The OP, Laura, has been around here for 14 years (Go Green). I think it's highly unlikely that she's a troll as some have said. Her past posts have been well written and sensible. News articles now almost all describe couples and or gatherings by gender, race, etc. They seem to always use descriptions regardless of relatively to the article. As someone mentioned perhaps her older parents are living with her, brava. A fanny pack is a reasonable choice of carry for a woman, pockets are a joke in our clothing. I don't use one, but I can certainly understand that choice. I pretty much always carry, so the idea of packing to confront this issue does go against my beliefs. If Laura could find other condo owners that share her stance it would be beneficial for all. Strength in numbers while approaching the condo association. And, not everyone likes the smell of MJ or cigarettes, for that matter. So Laura, thicken up that skin and come back!
 
Laura said:
Well, I'm dealing with it again and just got an earful from my father. There was a black guy and his white girlfriend that drove onto my condo property and sat down on the bench by the pond, smoking pot. I didn't see them until I was out there to feed the swan but I could tell from the girl's body language, and from seeing here to know they don't live here. So while I was feeding the swans I told him I've never seen him before and asked where he lived. He pointed to the low income public housing on the other side of the fence. I asked him why he was here and he responded "enjoying the view." So I said it was private property if the cars and the buildings didn't tip him off and I didn't appreciate him trespassing while smoking pot as well. He said it was a cigarette, to which I responded it smelled a lot like pot. I told them I didn't want them to keep coming on the property and that if he was still here in a few minutes that I was calling the cops.

Smelling his drugs actually gave me a headache but not as big as what I got from my father for speaking to them. He wants me to ignore everyone which I won't do. I have no tolerance for people trespassing, damaging property, dumping garbage, doing drugs and hanging out. One morning I approached a young man, homeless I guess, sleeping in the gazebo and asked him to leave saying it was private property. He did, swiftly but still, my father's hair was on fire all day until I got home.

I won't stop approaching people on the property especially if I'm standing right near them because it's like someone flopping in my living room acting like I'm maid service. So he wants me to take a gun with me when I go out, so last night I got a concealed carry fanny pack.

I know some will say just move, however I bid on a job last month and a coworker in my office got selected Monday, I got the rejection on Friday. Even my boss got a new job last week. I dearly could have used the money to fix up my condo and move but clearly now that's not even a possibility.

Edit to add, my mother just gave me an earful and said I'd be the "death" of my father. I told her if I'm out there I'm going to say something as I can't call the cops every time someone shows up, especially if the condo association won't help. Two times I called the police and actually got voice mail. My hair dresser, who dates a cop, gave me another number to use. I saw people on the property being loud and hanging out so I called it. A cop came out, spoke to them and then left, but they stated for over and hour before leaving. I left a message for the police asking what is the good of requesting their assistance if they don't actually make the trespassers leave and they continue to linger even after having been spoken to. They said they'd mention it to the chief....

Laura
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Would you be willing to adopt 9 geese for your pond.....
 
Racenet said:
What about guests of condo owners? Are they allowed to sit there too? They haven't paid a cent into anything there.
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Dumb question. Of course, when they are the guests of condo owners, they are allowed to sit there. Are people allowed in your house? Seriously!?
 
Nice to see most of you dont see private property as private and if they are not doing anything, while trespassing, people should be left alone.

You must enjoy people hanging out on your lawn.

I guess we should leave people crossing the border alone as long as they dont steal. They might just be walking by, enjoying the scenery and the smell of heavily taxed freedom.

I will say ... I do agree there was no need to mention peoples skin color on the OP. But I dont think it was meant as racist.
 
Broccoli Iglesias said:
Nice to see most of you dont see private property as private and if they are not doing anything people should be left alone.

You must enjoy people hanging out on your lawn.

I guess we should leave people crossing the border alone as long as they dont steal. They might just be walking by, enjoying the scenery and the smell of heavily taxed freedom.

I will say ... I do agree there was no need to mention peoples skin color on the OP. But I dont think it was meant as racist.
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There is a big difference between a private residence and a condo development, seems there are many "no man's land" situations that the developers never hashed out.
 
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@Laura are there signs saying it is private property or people have to somehow assume it is?

Because buildings near a lake doesnt mean the lake is private.
 
How could she tell they did not live there ?
What if they where guests of someone that lives there ?
Why are you going around bothering people that are minding there own business?
Why are you feeding the swans ?
Why are you arming your self to confront people?
Why do you live in a condo if this stuff bothers you ?
Why did you bring race into it ?
Why do you have this much time on you hands that you can harass people sitting on a bench ?
These questions need answers
 
qqac said:
Dumb question. Of course, when they are the guests of condo owners, they are allowed to sit there. Are people allowed in your house? Seriously!?
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Well, you made the dumb statement to begin with, so had to ask. This has nothing to do with someone in the house. It has to do with sitting on a bench outside. Your statement only concerned those who paid to live there. So, your statement wasn't exactly true I guess.
 
Again, a well aimed and timed hose or sprinkler would solve the bench sitter and the swan issues. "Just watering my grass and garden."
 
Skysoldier said:
There is a swimming pool right outside my apartment, and we sometimes get people showing up to use it that don't live here.

Usually, it is one or two Moms, and some kids. And it usually in the middle of the day, when no one is using the pool anyway.

Most of the folks in my building are senior citizens, and we don't really use the pool. But we do pay for it by sharing the water bill and the electric bill.

I enjoy watching kids enjoy the pool, and as long as they respect the property and don't get noisy or leave a mess, I am happy to contribute to the kids having
a chance to cool off in this heat. After all, people also pay taxes for public pools all over town, what is the difference?

What does bother me are the old biddies that constantly bitch about it. You know, the ones who walk there dog out front and don't clean up after them, because
they think it is the Property Management's responsibility.

We also have a large pond on the property, filled with ducks, fish and snapping turtles. I don't mind people using it to have a picnic.....the more people around
the better the chance that nefarious folks stay away.

Some things are just not worth getting upset about. Except dog shit.....dog shit really pisses me off!
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Yeah its for the kids. F#$^ Y*#. Your watching the moms, you dirty old man. Probably serving the moms drinks too, so they'll come back another day.
 
Dench said:
First and most importantly the OP is probably a troll account. It would be hard to imagine the OP's post being real due to it hitting so many talking points that a person looking to bait conservative gun owners would use.

Assuming the OP's a real post, and is infact from Peabody the OP is the one who is breaking the law. Not the specifically identified black guy and his also specifically identified white girl friend. Since the land is claimed to not be public, the couple isn't necessarily breaking the law while consuming "drugs." But the OP is in violation of Peabody's feeding or baiting migratory waterfowl law.

Are we on the brink of a second civil war?
another cliche bait example
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I'm pretty sure if there isn't a no trespassing sign, you get a one time get out of jail free card in Ma. when challenged by a authorized person. Question is, is OP authorized?
 
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Don't approach the trespassers without it.
 
DTOM537 said:
How could she tell they did not live there ?
What if they where guests of someone that lives there ?
Why are you going around bothering people that are minding there own business?
Why are you feeding the swans ?
Why are you arming your self to confront people?
Why do you live in a condo if this stuff bothers you ?
Why did you bring race into it ?
Why do you have this much time on you hands that you can harass people sitting on a bench ?
These questions need answers
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Because he was black.
 
qqac said:
Dumb question. Of course, when they are the guests of condo owners, they are allowed to sit there. Are people allowed in your house? Seriously!?
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They could have been guests of someone that lived there. I go visit my mom all the time at her condo......nice little pond on the property and my wife and I walk around the pond all the time and never get hassled. But I'm white and dont smoke weed.
 
Dadstoys said:
Wow this turned into an out yourself socialist thread quickly.
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Theres a member here from NC who recently posted something to the effect that there arent really any conservatives in MA, just more like center-leftists. (Im paraphrasing) Originally I thought he was exaggerating but after this thread Im not so sure.
 
cockpitbob said:
Private property is...private. Not having a fence around the area doesn't mean it's open to the public anymore than you leaving the garage door open means anyone can walk in.

This is an example in miniature of our borders. Just because it's nicer than over at public housing doesn't entitle them to come over and use a place someone else worked to pay for.

WRT carrying, if there's a place I won't go to unarmed, I wont go at all.
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totally agree!
 
it's a condo. like HOA's they have weird rules. They have processes.

And in the early morning hours before shooting begins at my GC neighbors are allowed to jog through or walk their dogs.

Because they are trying to be kind to the neighbors to keep tensions down.

So if I were to go there and see someone before the posted shooting times and told them to leave I would be wrong.

Before the OP tells people to leave maybe they should talk to the condo board and see if they have any type of agreement with the neighbors.

I wouldn't go so far as to call anyone on her a socialist. We just need more info and as many have pointed out the op has been AWOL for four pages of responses.

If it were a private residence then the owner or renter has a right to ask people to leave. Condos are weird community style things with lots of intricacies on the contracts and what is 'public' vs. private. Best advice is to talk to the board and attend the meetings and raise the concern. Many have said it and it's good advice.

Or...or....we can just agree for the OP to go get a gun and confront anyone they believe shouldn't be there. Cause that's real good advice...NOT!!!!
 
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