Pembroke car crash

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I have personally known people who have worked for that company. Those people have “issues” also. They can work in an environment where their habits will for the most part go unnoticed under the cloak of the graveyard shift. The owner is a successful functioning junkie. In other words , he is an enabler who doesn’t care enough about himself so how can he care enough about anyone else ? I’m 53 years old now and I’ve known about this guy/ company since I graduated from high school. It’s a long time coming and quite over due that this shitbag is held accountable for last week and for not condoning other people to this life recking behavior !! It could have been either one of my daughters in that car. Put him in a cage in light the fire. Thoughts and prayers for the kid still struggling in the hospital ! Protect our babies and dump these vermon who polute society. I hope those the owner and driver join the kid who died in the hotel. Sorry. I’m just pissed
I am glad you said it... I also know someone who is familiar with all of the details you mentioned, who brought me up to speed but I didn't want to be the first to mention it. I guess it is pretty widely known in the community that the owner of the company has had plenty of "problems" of his own to deal with.

You are right to be pissed, and you are also right that it could have been anyone of our kids. I am so very sorry that this has touched your life and hope your daughter is ok. This is some pretty heavy shit for a kid to deal with at her age, and for the rest of her life, she will remember it at Christmas. It is a big loss. Prayers for all hurt.
 

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No, your all about putting blame on everything but the actual offender and to actually come out after all your statements to the opposite shows whats your all about. Clueless??? hard to be clueless when the opposing party shows his cards and trys to backtrack. BTW wheres my flowers big boy?
Never did I not blame the driver, he is 100% responsible for his actions. To allow a person with 5 pages of driving offenses to leave your house in your 6000 pound truck drunk and stoned is irresponsible and criminal.
 

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I have personally known people who have worked for that company. Those people have “issues” also. They can work in an environment where their habits will for the most part go unnoticed under the cloak of the graveyard shift. The owner is a successful functioning junkie. In other words , he is an enabler who doesn’t care enough about himself so how can he care enough about anyone else ? I’m 53 years old now and I’ve known about this guy/ company since I graduated from high school. It’s a long time coming and quite over due that this shitbag is held accountable for last week and for not condoning other people to this life recking behavior !! It could have been either one of my daughters in that car. Put him in a cage in light the fire. Thoughts and prayers for the kid still struggling in the hospital ! Protect our babies and dump these vermon who polute society. I hope those the owner and driver join the kid who died in the hotel. Sorry. I’m just pissed
All due respect, but if you've been aware of this, I'm sure that others know, too. Why have they not been outed? Did you ever tell anyone that the place was a disaster waiting to happen? Did you ever call the local PD and file a report that it was booze-'n'-coke central?

It seems that the tenor of the current conversation is that enablers are just as guilty as the driver - with that in mind, anyone that did not take steps to preempt the crash is guilty. And, as for the owner being a "successful functioning junkie," what's more important - that he's a junkie, or is functioning successfully enough to run a company, for years. Seems to me that if you have an addiction that's controlled enough that you can function, you're better off than a lot.

The retroactive spreading of blame is a dangerous game. Oh, as for your cage in a fire idea....it's been done, and when the Jordanian pilot was roasted by ISIS, there was a lot of screaming about how ISIS was a bunch of savages and animals. So, you might want to moderate your calls for vengeance.
 

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I respect your opinion. But I think this situation is more like a chemical company whose employee violates policy and dumps toxic waste that kills a bunch of people. Yeah, the employee is responsible, but the company should have some skin in the game for not knowing or preventing it. The Sandy Hook thing is different.
It is the prior knowledge that makes the employer partially responsible.
If one of my guys shows up to work shit faced, and I know it but let him stay and he kills someone with a forklift, I am at least partially to blame. It's about the knowledge.

"They check the driving records of all and to the point we have had some denied access to our vehicles." --- Right, so if after the company Christmas party, one of those guys was falling down drunk and you gave him the keys to a company truck and he killed someone, you feel only Socialists would think you are partially responsible for the death? ( I know your would never do this). You would be criminally negligent.
I disagree WRT "criminal negligence". That's bogus. Holding someone criminally liable for something they didn't do is full retard. Now in a CIVIL sense, a typical court is going to take
them to the cleaners on it if there's a solid link between the things, based as you mentioned, on "knowledge". Even without the link, just the fact that the guy was sauced driving a company
vehicle, is enough to rope the company in on civil liability. The "knowledge" factor just makes it worse and more difficult to fight in court if it came to that.

-Mike
 
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Who cares what vehicle he was driving? The only difference at this point is how much the family stands to make.

Are state contracts public? I'd love to see how much we are paying for street signs.
 

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I disagree WRT "criminal negligence". That's bogus. Holding someone criminally liable for something they didn't do is full retard. Now in a CIVIL sense, a typical court is going to take
them to the cleaners on it if there's a solid link between the things, based as you mentioned, on "knowledge". Even without the link, just the fact that the guy was sauced driving a company
vehicle, is enough to rope the company in on civil liability. The "knowledge" factor just makes it worse and more difficult to fight in court if it came to that.

-Mike
Yeah you are right. I am obviously not a lawyer. Criminally negligent is not the right term. But I think you understood my point.
 

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I heard a few additional disturbing details, and another sad additional for this accident....I heard. (unable to corroborate with articles) the second 13 year old unfortunately passed... hopefully it is heirsay and the other 13 year old did not pass.

I also heard through an article, that there were two other arrests from the same party.

One a DUI a ways from the party, the other disorderly conduct at the hotel.

 

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Thank you. 100% cedar. That project was installed by Frontier Fence in Millis, for a home owner in Weston. All of the posts on the slope were set, then they gave me the measurements between the posts, and how many inches it dropped between the posts. I designed the fence and my guys did a nice job with the construction.
Each lattice top was custom fabricated, and each strip (lathe) ripped by hand and glued and (stainless steel) stapled into sheets. The curved sections are made by laminating cedar boards together, then cutting the shape out on the band saw. If you blow the photo up, you will notice that all the lathe lines up as it steps down the hill. The key to the scalloped sections is to use about the same radius, even though the section length and drop varies. The solid bottom is all 1x6 tongue and groove, and the fence is identical front and back. Some of these had to be sloped on the bottom, because for a pool enclosure, code is no gaps larger than 4". The devil is in the details.

The other kind looks easier
I bet the other kind takes a lot of work to get good at it, like most endeavors.

Does anyone know if there has been an update on the young girl in critical condition?
 
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