This could have a ripple effect....
Pa. closes loophole allowing residents to obtain concealed gun permit from Fla. | TribLIVE
Pa. closes loophole allowing residents to obtain concealed gun permit from Fla. | TribLIVE
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Pa. closes loophole allowing residents to obtain concealed gun permit from Florida
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falcon123
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Ah, the old morals clause. Ironic that some bureaucrat will dictate your suitability to own a gun based on his morals which are usually non existent. If they applied that clause to the PA legislature, none of those gasbags would be fit to hold public office.
What a bunch of idiots!
I see they offer zero proof showing that the people who hold these Florida non-residents permits are involved in any criminal activity whatsoever.
It's NOT the people who obtain licenses that are threatening public safety, it's the criminals who don't care about the licensing laws to begin with.
I see they offer zero proof showing that the people who hold these Florida non-residents permits are involved in any criminal activity whatsoever.
It's NOT the people who obtain licenses that are threatening public safety, it's the criminals who don't care about the licensing laws to begin with.
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Doesn't affect non-residents of PA w/FL permit as written.
I didn't read the article but know that Philly had some "philosophical problems" with the idea of anyone CCW'g in their super-safe city. /sarcasm
IIRC Philly would refuse to issue permits to ordinary citizens, so folks found a work-around . . . get a FL NR permit as a PA resident and CCW on that. Obviously TPTB didn't like that idea, hence this latest pronouncement is the result.
IIRC Philly would refuse to issue permits to ordinary citizens, so folks found a work-around . . . get a FL NR permit as a PA resident and CCW on that. Obviously TPTB didn't like that idea, hence this latest pronouncement is the result.
according to the Florida resiprosity website, it does.
Concealed Carry Reciprocity - Division of Licensing, FDACS
ETA: I read the notice from Pa that is on the Florida site as well (under the section with the agreements, Click on Pennsylvania to get there), and you are correct, it does not mention Non-resident. But the Fl site clearly states that it applies to ALL non residents. I sent the Florida people an email asking for clarification.
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I stand corrected.
So, are they gonna close the Utah loophole as well? PA + dumb attorney general bitch = retards. Guess Ill get a Utah permit now.
So, are they gonna close the Utah loophole as well? PA + dumb attorney general bitch = retards. Guess Ill get a Utah permit now.
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If you read the agreement between PA and ME, that agreement specifies that a Maine Resident permit is recognized by PA.
I agree that the memo published by the PA AG does not address Non-Florida and Non-Pennsylvania residents, but when the amendment to the agreement is published, it may be worded similarly to the agreement with Maine.
The good news is that the agreement between PA and NH does not mention residency.
However, in the preamble, the PA/NH agreement says in part:
Does the preamble limit the agreement to residents of NH?
I agree that the memo published by the PA AG does not address Non-Florida and Non-Pennsylvania residents, but when the amendment to the agreement is published, it may be worded similarly to the agreement with Maine.
The good news is that the agreement between PA and NH does not mention residency.
However, in the preamble, the PA/NH agreement says in part:
Does the preamble limit the agreement to residents of NH?
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Do you know of any PA county that does not currently require an in-person appearance as part of the application process?
Rob they changed the state law to require in-person applications back ~May 2011 just after I got mine by Mail. Doubt that I'll renew in 2016 as I'm not planning any trips to PA. Centre County Sheriff said he was going to see what he could do (this was back in Feb. 2011) but I don't think he can really do anything to circumvent that requirement.
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Hmm.
Len, Rob can you confirm what I'm going to say is true.
So you can't get a non-resident PA permit without an in person appearance.
And a FL non resident is no longer Valid.
But for now, a Utah non-resident is valid.
I'm asking because I'm in PA fairly regularly. I've always carried on my FL non-res. I have a Utah non-res but wasn't going to renew it because it only got me one useless state, something like Indiana.
I guess for a northeasterner, there is now a real reason to get a UT permit. . . unless I renew my NH permit. Which is also recognized in PA.
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Len, Rob can you confirm what I'm going to say is true.
So you can't get a non-resident PA permit without an in person appearance.
And a FL non resident is no longer Valid.
But for now, a Utah non-resident is valid.
I'm asking because I'm in PA fairly regularly. I've always carried on my FL non-res. I have a Utah non-res but wasn't going to renew it because it only got me one useless state, something like Indiana.
I guess for a northeasterner, there is now a real reason to get a UT permit. . . unless I renew my NH permit. Which is also recognized in PA.
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The info about "in person" and Sheriff Denny Nau of Centre County being an all around good guy is consistent with what I have heard.
I suspect the reason they are trying to close the loophole is that the Philly politicians and PD were upset that their own residents were bypassing the PA process by obtaining FL permits. There was one case where about a half dozen PA resident, FL permit holding, individuals were arrested and the end result was each receiving a modest settlement (I think about $5K each) from the Philadumpia PD for the unlawful arrest.
I suspect the reason they are trying to close the loophole is that the Philly politicians and PD were upset that their own residents were bypassing the PA process by obtaining FL permits. There was one case where about a half dozen PA resident, FL permit holding, individuals were arrested and the end result was each receiving a modest settlement (I think about $5K each) from the Philadumpia PD for the unlawful arrest.
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First Denny Nau is a stand up guy. Met him when I re-newed my permit just after the end of the PSU trial.
As far as the problem with Philly permits, there were two problems. First was the run around by the Philly PD, in most locations the Sheriff is the issuer but in "class 1 cities" it is the chief of police (sheriffs are elected rather than appointed chiefs) so they get to add a lot of road blocks. Second, and I don;t know how prevalent it is was that according to the Philly police, persons who would be inelilgible under PA law for a carry license could get a "mail order" permt from Florida and carry in PA. This is no longer the case as the new AG (newly elected democrat) has issued a new reciprocity agrement, eliminating the "loophole". As noted on the PAFOA forum, election have consequences.
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If I understand correctly, Philly is the only city of first class in PA now (Pittsburgh got downgraded a few years back).
Is the problem that people were truly ineligible, or that the Philly PD simply said they were, and denied them?
I haven't been over to PAFOA lately. Maybe they have the scoop.
Don,
See what Rob and EC1 had to say below you.
If you are in PA all the time, just drop by a Sheriff's office and submit it there, easy peasy. Just don't try it in Philly!
The process is simple, they want a photo and get to see you in person now, that's all.
I'd love to meet Sheriff Denny Nau! I had my permit back in 4 calendar days which is unreal. I had a question after receiving it and Emailed him, got a reply in hours . . . my answer and the tenor of his reply was what I call "very sociable"!
When I'm up for renewal, I will contact him and see if there are any alternatives other than travel to PA . . . I still have 3 years and who knows what could change over that time.
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Another historical issue....
Until a few years ago, PA permits were "shall issue" except in "cities of the first class". When it went to shall-issue statewide, the Philadumpia establishment was obviously less than enthusiastic and didn't exactly roll out a warm welcome to applicants, making mail order FL less hassle than applying in Philly.
Until a few years ago, PA permits were "shall issue" except in "cities of the first class". When it went to shall-issue statewide, the Philadumpia establishment was obviously less than enthusiastic and didn't exactly roll out a warm welcome to applicants, making mail order FL less hassle than applying in Philly.
Some Philly Political Douche said:
I'd laugh if it wasn't likely to be true. [sad2]
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I used Centre County. From what I remember they were one of the few remaining places that allowed you to submit through the mail. That may have changed in the past 2 years though.
If PA eliminated the bullshit which holds Philadumpia residents hostage to that crew of a**h***s in that city, this wouldn't be a problem... nobody would ever bother going to the local PD to get their permit outside of reasons of convenience.
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EC1
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For PA non-res permits you must apply in person, no way around it at the present. However, for a renewal it took me less than 15 minutes at Denny Nau's office. I had filled out the paperwork in advance, they made a couple of phone calls and they took a photo, printed the permit and handed it to me. I met Sheriff Nau and his staff, all very nice and wondered why a MA res would travel so far.
Mark, that's about the same when you factor in USMail both ways!
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