P&R as background check?

[one-eyed Jack]

So just buy a cheap POS gun and have the dealer give you a copy of the 4473. Or maybe get a copy of the 4473 from your last gun purchase at the dealer. Jack.

 

[ScottS]

I'm thinking this is the case. The local police can't do the digital fingerprints (preferred), which is why we're going to the State Police.

So much for making things simple.

Thanks all.

I don't mean to be pedantic, but did they tell you to get an FBI background check? If not, you can just spring for the NH Criminal History Record Information (CHRI), which doesn't require fingerprints. "Here's my CHRI, as requested."

If you're convinced you need the FBI check, and fingerprints, then there's a Police Barracks in Twin Mountain at 549 Route 302, which is in "Far North New Hampshire" that will do the prints.

 

[Rick O'Shea]

This is a question for your church. Do it by mail, or ask the next town over,.. then the next town after that,..

 

[DecOFlaherty]

This came up for me a few years ago but they also wanted me to take a class.

I told them: "Do any background check you want on your own, but I'm not taking a class in 'How to not diddle kids"

 

[SFC13557]

Hah you should try getting security clearance from .gov. I signed off my life to them for a job. Even my current employer runs a background check every year. Goodness knows what they are looking for.

I swear on the day I die there will be an entire filing cabinet filled to the limit with background checks. 100 years after I'm dead the only proof that I ever lived will be that filing cabinet filled with background checks lol.

If you're worried about what's in your background check then run one on yourself. Only once I was allowed to see my own background check. They checked several difference courts for various kinds of records. If you have a CWOF then who knows if it shows.

Remember Vette Girl, the PRC has all our records/applications thanks to a data breach by the PLA during Obama's reign. 25 yrs ago when I was coaching my daughters softball team in Little League we were required to produce CORI check.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I would assume they’re mostly concerned with making sure you aren’t dangerous towards children, i bet they don’t care about speeding tickets.

They are most concerned with documenting they have done their due dilligence. Having a copy of your P&R is not going to do since they will almost certainly want the state form that states, rather than indirectly implies, no offenses.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

It’s a CORI check in Mass. I had to do it for work for a year when an Italian HS student was brought in.

There are about 6 (+/-) CORI levels in MA. The depth of the check depends on what entity is doing the check - for example, I believe that a summer camp staff CORI will show charges for which the checkee was found not guilty, but a general employment CORI check will not. There are definitely some things included in the "access to children" checks that are not statutory disqualifiers for an LTC in MA, so having an LTC is not proof you would pass the CORI check.

 

[eddy1953]

This came up for me a few years ago but they also wanted me to take a class.

I told them: "Do any background check you want on your own, but I'm not taking a class in 'How to not diddle kids"

It wasn't lay person volunteers who committed the diddling, it was clergy.

 

[tuna]

I don't mean to be pedantic, but did they tell you to get an FBI background check? If not, you can just spring for the NH Criminal History Record Information (CHRI), which doesn't require fingerprints. "Here's my CHRI, as requested."

If you're convinced you need the FBI check, and fingerprints, then there's a Police Barracks in Twin Mountain at 549 Route 302, which is in "Far North New Hampshire" that will do the prints.

I'm not entirely sure what we need done. I'm going to go over this with the pastor. He said we need fingerprints at Twin Mountain, which would make me think we need the Famous But Incompetent check. If we don't need that depth, we can mail in the form without prints.

Much as Worcester is considered "Western Mass", Twin Mt is "North NH", but it's still an hour to the South - which is 2 hours I'm trying to avoid, by wasting the morning on this thread.

 

[Buck F]

I run background checks on my employees because it's required for RMV access. There are lots of regulatory requirements including notification to the individual it's being run on (requires a signed consent, what specifically is being requested and why) as well as any adverse action based on the results of the background checks. There are several different levels of background checks based on the circumstances involved. In fact I even had to take an online certification course before I could run the background checks, Federal and State requirements, severe penalties, blah blah blah. I use www.intellicorp.com to do ours, they have a special program for the MA Insurance Agents Association and they provide all the forms necessary. IIRC it was

If the church is requiring background checks then they should do it properly. I get why they're requiring background checks and also why they're asking the individuals to provide their own because they don't want to jump through the hoops of ordering them themselves, but IMO they're opening themselves legally up if someone is denied access due to the background check or if something ever happens and they try and defend themselves by saying they ran background checks. Let me guess, there's a lawyer on the board [who doesn't specialize in this area] who advised doing it this way?

 

[nordic alien]

show them your LTC and you already had a through one , if that is not good enough tell them to stuff it. last place that wanted a background check on me told them my private life is noyb and gfy, they also mentioned drug testing; i stated; will piss in a cup if you slurp it down afterwards. went to work for a small co that could care less

 

[Amputee Marksman]

SOP if you work with minors. Tell them to run it themselves. Go in and sign the consent form and check the box you want a copy of the results. It should be on their dime.

At WSA we run CORI checks on everybody who works with a Junior Program. Last we need is a pedo or sex offender working with minors.

If you don't want the check ran then walk away.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

It used to take 4 a**h***s in a 2x4 cover formation to storm the Nakatomi Tower.

Now it takes 4 in a 2x4 cover formation to take a group of scouts to a ball game. Two to sit with the pre-reservists watching the game and two to escort the one who has a head call under the "never have on adult alone with a minor" policy. Or maybe it's 3 if one is allowed in a very public setting/

 

[ScottS]

I'm not entirely sure what we need done. I'm going to go over this with the pastor. He said we need fingerprints at Twin Mountain, which would make me think we need the Famous But Incompetent check. If we don't need that depth, we can mail in the form without prints.

Much as Worcester is considered "Western Mass", Twin Mt is "North NH", but it's still an hour to the South - which is 2 hours I'm trying to avoid, by wasting the morning on this thread.

Holy shit. You sure you're not in Canada?

 

[eddy1953]

show them your LTC and you already had a through one , if that is not good enough tell them to stuff it. last place that wanted a background check on me told them my private life is noyb and gfy, they also mentioned drug testing; i stated; will piss in a cup if you slurp it down afterwards. went to work for a small co that could care less

Drop a dog turd in a second cup. Tell them to use the piss as a chaser! I have zero tolerance for these a**h***s of the cloth. Priests and other clergy are the pedophiles who diddle kids. The vast majority of lay person volunteers are parishioners who give up their free time because their churches are understaffed or their children are attending parochial schools and it is understood that they will volunteer a certain number of hours per month in order to keep tuition at lower levels.

 

[enbloc]

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Drop a dog turd in a second cup. Tell them to use the piss as a chaser! I have zero tolerance for these a**h***s of the cloth. Priests and other clergy are the pedophiles who diddle kids. The vast majority of lay person volunteers are parishioners who give up their free time because their churches are understaffed or their children are attending parochial schools and it is understood that they will volunteer a certain number of hours per month in order to keep tuition at lower levels.

I wonder if there has been a study done of the propensity towards pedophillia among priests of different sects. It would stand to reason that persons who accepted a lifetime job with conditions of no sex, no marriage or domestic partner, etc. would fit a different sexual personality profile that someone accepting a position in a ministry that does not prohibit or discourage marriage as a job requirement.

As to the volunteers who give their time - it's just the standard gun club model.

 

[CATI]

I admit I maybe looking too deep into this. If they do not take the couple hours to research and write up a proper background check program and are just asking people to source it DIY and bring a paper back they are not serious about protecting the children they are trusted with.

You should be signing away permission for them to run it and they should be running it
If small time landlords can do it they can

 

[tuna]

Sigh. Once again, Christian does not always mean Catholic.

Most churches the pastor is allowed to get married and have kids.

You guys are awfully paranoid about being checked out. Are you this fired up about background checks for schools and coaching, too? I’m just trying to avoid driving all day for nothing.

 

[bostonasphalt2]

either don't volunteer or go do the background check. Those are your options. Not uncommon for places to require them when the person will be with minors(I cant believe people in this thread are actually shocked by this). A P&R license isn't a background check in the eyes of accountability and CYA.

 

[eddy1953]

I wonder if there has been a study done of the propensity towards pedophillia among priests of different sects. It would stand to reason that persons who accepted a lifetime job with conditions of no sex, no marriage or domestic partner, etc. would fit a different sexual personality profile that someone accepting a position in a ministry that does not prohibit or discourage marriage as a job requirement.

As to the volunteers who give their time - it's just the standard gun club model.

There have been. And Catholic archdiocese have sent priests for rehabilitation similar to that of alcoholics and drug addicts in an attempt to turn things around. Unfortunately, this type of shit is hard-wired. Could have been the way they were raised, maybe a domineering parent or other adult authority figure. If a man is gay and wants to be intimate with another man, that is his decision. Same with lesbians. These people are adults. The ultimate perversion is pedophilia. Damn it all, leave the innocent children alone. It's like us licensed, law-abiding gun owners being forced to pay the price for crimes committed by illegally armed convicted felons. The Catholic church needs a thorough purge from top to bottom. You don't hear about this type of shit happening in the Jewish faith where rabbis are allowed to be married and female rabbis are allowed to serve.

 

[42!]

OP you don't have to go to the PD in your town, any town will do, and then there is the Sheriffs.
In MA there is a CORI and a SORI (sexual offenders), does NH have the same?

Apparently you can mail it in as well
Criminal History Record Requests

 

[Buck F]

I admit I maybe looking too deep into this. If they do not take the couple hours to research and write up a proper background check program and are just asking people to source it DIY and bring a paper back they are not serious about protecting the children they are trusted with nor are they serious about protecting the Church. They're either woefully uninformed or they're skinflints.

You should be signing away permission for them to run it and they should be running it
If small time landlords can do it they can

Nailed it. I added two more brief thoughts to an otherwise spot on assessment.

 

[CWulf]

I've done a CORI check every year for the past decade + because of volunteering at my son's school and being a coach

Massachusetts Criminal Offender Record Information (CORI)

Name-based court arraignment records, also known as CORI, are created and maintained by the Massachusetts courts.

www.mass.gov

I'm assuming NH is the same??? maybe not

Yup, a decade ago I volunteered to coach my son's youth lacrosse team... first thing they wanted was a CORI. The league paid any fee's if I recall.

 

[nordic alien]

Drop a dog turd in a second cup. Tell them to use the piss as a chaser! I have zero tolerance for these a**h***s of the cloth. Priests and other clergy are the pedophiles who diddle kids. The vast majority of lay person volunteers are parishioners who give up their free time because their churches are understaffed or their children are attending parochial schools and it is understood that they will volunteer a certain number of hours per month in order to keep tuition at lower levels.

way to much intrusion in your private life which has become a slow erosion of your rights. now self employed since and never had to deal with this crap and remember when america was once free. ps; they can also put their vax and mask mandates where the sun don't shine

 

[Blackmore]

I've signed releases for background checks for employment but in my nearly seven decades have never been fingerprinted for any reason. I personally would give a hard "no" to any circumstance that required it so no Title II toys for me since ownership by a trust started requiring them in 2016.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Drop a dog turd in a second cup.

One dog two cups?

 

[eddy1953]

One dog two cups?

Nordic Alien states that he would be willing to piss into a cup for a drug test if the person administering this blatant act of privacy invasion would be willing to drink it. I suggested a dog turd in a second cup for the collector to enjoy as well. Don't worry, with our sore-ass loser lawmakers still fuming over the Bruen SCOTUS decision, cup-pissing will probably be a requirement to maintain an LTC.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Nordic Alien states that he would be willing to piss into a cup for a drug test if the person administering this blatant act of privacy invasion would be willing to drink it. I suggested a dog turd in a second cup for the collector to enjoy as well. Don't worry, with our sore-ass loser lawmakers still fuming over the Bruen SCOTUS decision, cup-pissing will probably be a requirement to maintain an LTC.

Perhaps you missed my reference

 

[pastera]

It wasn't lay person volunteers who committed the diddling, it was clergy.

That may not have been front page news but it did happen