Oregon Bakery Forced to Close the Doors

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That has been the accepted message for racial equality for years now. LGBT is looking for the same level of equality, in which even religious belief is not considered an acceptable justification for unapproved thought.
The problem is worse than that. It's only some religious beliefs that are no longer considered acceptable justification for unapproved thought.
 
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That is not what happened. Read about the case. The cake itself was never a problem. Attending (participating in) the homosexual wedding was their religious objection issue... although the government in their infinite wisdom said it was the same thing. [thinking]
"Participate" in the wedding. They are bakers not the priest. The people want them to give them a cake not have gay sex with them.

In the end, all I can say is WWJD. He'd probably bake them a cake.
 

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That has been the accepted message for racial equality for years now. LGBT is looking for the same level of equality, in which even religious belief is not considered an acceptable justification for unapproved thought.

when they can argue their case in Saudia Arabia and live to tell about, let's talk.
 

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The same outcome would have happened if they refused service to a black or Muslim couple. Today you cannot put your believes ahead of your business or you will get spanked, like it or not.
Explain the Plan B exception for pharmacy workers then? That exemption is codified in many states. In short, a pharmacist does not have to provide "The morning after pill" to women seeking it, if the pharmacist objects on moral or religious grounds.

What is the difference?
 
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I can't/won't tell other business owners how to run their business.

I will say, a friend of mine refused to sell his beach house to a liberal just a few years ago. When he found out the guy was a screaming flaming asshat liberal, he refused to sell. Nothing the potential buyer could do. You're allowed to discriminate based on political views.

Just saying....
 

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Ooops. Sorry. Please accept our sincere apology. Someone must have mistaken the salt container for sugar. No charge for the cake. :)
 

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Everyone on NES always talks about boycotting any restaurant, etc that doesn't allow carrying into the stores. Are you saying that is wrong?
I think there's a difference between just not showing up and spending money at a restaurant - and actively going after them and issuing death threats.

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I am waiting for two Lesbian Muslim women to go into a Hallal store and demand a cake!
It's hard to eat cake when you have no head.
 

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I can't/won't tell other business owners how to run their business.

I will say, a friend of mine refused to sell his beach house to a liberal just a few years ago. When he found out the guy was a screaming flaming asshat liberal, he refused to sell. Nothing the potential buyer could do. You're allowed to discriminate based on political views.

Just saying....
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when that potential buyer found out why he was being refused............
 
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For those who say that queers can live any way they want to, well, the way they want to live is forcing their perversion on your (sic) and you (sic) children.
What an incredibly bigoted thing to say. Should a private business be able to reserve the right to do business, or refuse to do business with anyone they choose? Of course they should. But labeling all homosexuals as queer perverts who are forcing their lifestyle on your children is just plain ignorant. You could replace the word "queer" with the word "******" and it would be no more or less offensive.

The string of red asterisks is the N-word, which, ironically, was censored.

BTW - I can't think of anything more childish than the term "N-word". Are we really that sensitive that we can't bear to hear or read an offensive word?
 
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they should have had me make the cake, i would have decorated it with a nice rainbow and stuck a big purple dildo in the middle.
 

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What an incredibly bigoted thing to say. Should a private business be able to reserve the right to do business, or refuse to do business with anyone they chose? Of course they should. But labeling all homosexuals as queer perverts who are forcing their lifestyle on your children is just plain ignorant. You could replace the word "queer" with the word "******" and it would be no more or less offensive.

The string of red asterisks is the N-word, which, ironically, was censored.
Or *********. That one spells "Christian." I don't want that forced on me, either. I'm not sure, at times, that it's any less perverted than any other ideology.
 
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substitute 'black' or 'asian' or 'Jewish' or even 'mixed race' or 'gun owner' or 'republican' for lesbian and see if that changes your opinion. Discrimination is discrimination.
It doesn't change my opinion. Two questions: why would you want to do business with someone who hates you? Why would you want to force bigots into the closet instead of letting them reveal themselves?
 

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Using religion to deny someone a cake is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Especially when there are laws explicitly stating that businesses open to the public can't discriminate.

Also, in before someone makes a comment about not coming between two women and their cake.
Seeing that the couple could have gone to multiple other venues for their cake but chose to violate the conscience of the business owner for political purposes, I think there is every right.

I have no problem with business discriminating as long as they have clear posted signage. Don't like the policy, don't give them business. No government involvement needed.

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I can't/won't tell other business owners how to run their business.

I will say, a friend of mine refused to sell his beach house to a liberal just a few years ago. When he found out the guy was a screaming flaming asshat liberal, he refused to sell. Nothing the potential buyer could do. You're allowed to discriminate based on political views.

Just saying....
In the words of your avatar, William Tecumseh Sherman, "I make up my opinions from facts and reasoning, and not to suit anybody but myself. If people don't like my opinions, it makes little difference, as I don't solicit their opinions or votes."
 

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Seeing that the couple could have gone to multiple other venues for their cake but chose to violate the conscience of the business owner for political purposes, I think there is every right.

I have no problem with business discriminating as long as they have clear posted signage. Don't like the policy, don't give them business. No government involvement needed.

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I'm unclear how a customer can "choose to violate the conscience" of a baker. Surely, if the conscience belongs to the baker, then the baker is the one making the choice. The customer is merely spending the money.

Its been said before in this thread: the baker had other options than getting butthurt.
 

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I'm unclear how a customer can "choose to violate the conscience" of a baker. Surely, if the conscience belongs to the baker, then the baker is the one making the choice. The customer is merely spending the money.

Its been said before in this thread: the baker had other options than getting butthurt.
So did the LG folks. They also could have just moved along.
 

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I'm unclear how a customer can "choose to violate the conscience" of a baker. Surely, if the conscience belongs to the baker, then the baker is the one making the choice. The customer is merely spending the money.

Its been said before in this thread: the baker had other options than getting butthurt.
They picked this venue not because they wanted a cake from them but in order to make a political statement.

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Sorry Im late in the game. Has anyone asked what the Lesbians looked like? Were they the hot kind that I watch on Pornhub and other websites or are they the kind that wear fruit of the looms with Dick holes in them?
 

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They picked this venue not because they wanted a cake from them but in order to make a political statement.

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You can only make a political statement if the other guy plays along. It took two to tango in this case.
 

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The fail happened when the ****ing .gov got involved.
As always. But that ship sailed long ago, and it wasn't the gays that launched it. The .gov has had its fingers in too many pies for centuries. Cakes, too.
 

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The decision by the State is unconstitutional, it violates the 1st ammendment. Bigger problem is that this just encourages people not to try anything on their own or have their own ideas because of the enormous consequences. small business and innovation suffer, while large institutions, who take the individual out of the equation, hold all the liability, and reduce their employees to numbers, benefit from this. Goodbye liberty.
 
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The lawyers screwed up too. It should have been a straight first amendment freedom of expression. No artist may be compelled to create an expression with which they disagree.
Instead what we have now is a case where anti- religious bigots go hunting for businesses to sue. But the rights of artists to not create political expressions they disagree with it okay and had the full protection of the law.
Wedding cake is not just a cake. It is a unique artistic expression. If someone just wants a decorated cake go buy it at Costco.

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