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Open Carry MA Experiences

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Cipher, Feb 7, 2019.

  1. BigGreen2000

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    Maybe 4 or 5 years ago, I was coming off the CT river after a day of shad fishing. I think it was the Chicopee boat ramp. Anyway, there was this dude getting his boat onto his trailor, shirtless, with only a bathing suit and sandals. He had an over-the-shoulder holster with a 1911 in it, O.C. That was a little odd!
     

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    Must have ended up with some unique tan lines.
     
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    Only in uniform for me

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    I would not open carry even if I lived in a state where you didn't have to worry about suitability and all that crap. I want the element of surprise on my side at all times.
    Anybody that wants to though, should not have to fear losing their stuff over doing so, no matter what state they live in.
     
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  6. Rob Boudrie

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    Standard practice in case he accidentally hooks a shark.
     
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    I had a conversation about OCing with some guys few years ago at an informal match when one of them produced a sheet of paper. It was a handout from a cop in-service that described a hypothetical situation with a guy OCing in a diner and a waitress calling cops on him. The correct action for the responding cops was to check the guy's LTC and then explain to the waitress that he was carrying legally. Hard stop. That was definitely after Simkin because Simkin was mentioned in a conversation, in a handout, or both.

    I should've taken a pic of the handout but you know everything about hindsight
     
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    Other than Monadnock shoots/being at ranges I don't think I've ever seen a non-LEO open carrying. Never done it myself (other than USPSA matches which doesn't count) and probably wouldn't unless hiking, and even then it would probably be (poorly) under a t-shirt, but OWB.
     
  9. quiller

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    I would never open carry in MA except at the range and only for USPSA practice. Totally not worth the conversation. I once flashed in of all places Concord MA, was finishing up breakfast with my wife and toddler and I bent over to grab the baby carrier. I felt my back get cold and instantly realized what happened. I stood up, fixed my shirt, got the kid settled in the carrier and upon leaving turned to the couple behind us, mind you her mouth was still on the floor and now she was checking out my 12 o'clock area! I said, enjoy your breakfast and strolled out like I owned the place. I'm fairly certain they talked about me for days! OMG did you see that.....he had a gun with a clip thingie...
     
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    Only place I've flashed by mistake was in a Chick-fil-A. My shirt rode up over my gun and I realized it walking to the bathroom. Fortunately, I happened to be in Jacksonville, FL so no big deal (and I have a FL CWP, too).
     
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    Then there's this kind of shit to deal with...



    Gun control groups accused of ‘swatting’ open-carry permit holders, putting lives at risk

    VA Open Carrier SWATted - The Truth About Guns


     
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  12. M1911

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    There is a difference between calling the police and calmly describing a man that you see with a holstered gun and SWATing someone. I’m not condoning the former, but we shouldn’t overly dramaticize most of these situations.
     
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    Even though the Texas open carry people won legislatively, they made some enemies in the pro gun community in Texas. Mostly the small number who insisted on carrying ARs openly while advocating for being able to carry handguns openly.

    I'm not a huge proponent of open carry, but the one thing it does do is remove the risk of being charged if you inadvertently expose a firearm.

    I think most people don't notice if someone is open carrying here in MA because most people aren't looking for it. They aren't even looking for people concealed carrying, for that matter.

     
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    Only timemive ever seen open carry in mass was last summer at an ice cream stand in amesbury. Guy in the line with his kids had a 1911 open carried. Definitely did not appear to be a cop.....nobody said shit. Nobody cared.....nobody died lol
     
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    The act of carrying a holstered firearm is not threatening and therefore should NEVER be cause to call the police. That call suggests to the police that something is wrong and they arrive already primed for trouble. So there is NO difference between calling the police and calmly describing a man that you see with a holstered gun and SWATing someone.

    Same person, carrying a holstered gun but acting erratic, scratching at non existent bugs crawling around under his skin and perhaps making mewling noises, THAT there is an example of when you should call the police (while you and your loved ones exit the area).
     
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    Nope, you are still misrepresenting the issue.

    In the typical swating, someone fakes their phone number to be that of their target and calls up the local police of their target. They then claim that there is a deadly force situation — they’ve shot someone or they are going to shoot someone or there is a bad guy in the house who is shooting people, etc. It is a call that doesn’t just cause a police response, but actually gets the police to send a SWAT team (hence the term SWATing)

    That is a different, and higher risk situation, than calling the police to say you saw someone with a holstered gun. Yes, both could go badly wrong, but the SWATing situation is worse.

    What the mothers against guns groups are recommending (calling the police if you see someone open carrying) is wrong, no question. But it isn’t SWATing and we shouldn’t exaggerate in that fashion.
     
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    I'm not misrepresenting it. A call to the police is to report something concerning. Not to idly mention, hey, the grass is green on the town common. So pretty.

    When police respond, they are expecting trouble. They are VASTLY unlikely to know that the caller was calm and just mentioning as a possible item of interest. The officer in the cruiser gets a call along the lines of "There's a report of a man with a gun at the corner of Smith St and Wesson Ave."

    It is no different from swatting in concept. Possibly in degree, but NOT in concept.
     
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    Not "possibly in degree." It is very different in degree. Man carrying a holstered gun versus a fake active shooting situation.

    These are swatting:

     
  19. drgrant

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    I get the point of your post here, but in MA there is no such thing as a "concealed carry license". It's a license to carry, period. There is no method dictated under the law in any circumstance. This state is pretty retarded but there was never any distinction under MGL wrt "concealment" with the exception of the stuff that applied to the now long defunct LTC-B license class. (LTC-Bs could not carry a handgun loaded and concealed simultaneously or somesuch).

    -Mike
     
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    Bottom line is, the officer gets a call saying "check out the man with a gun". Your "calm" caller just forced an encounter with an officer that is primed to see a problem where there is none.

    If you don't see that as a problem I just don't know what to say. It's mind boggling that you're dismissing it as irrelevant.
     
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    While it might not make sense here due to licensing/BS laws, in other states it does. An example is I have a friend in Nevada(originally from CT)...he doesn't have and refuses to get a CCW..so he has to open carry everywhere to legally carry.....he says he has never had any issues out there at all with anyone...or in Utah/Arizona/Colorado where he open carry's as well (and has to be legal except arizona)
     
  22. drgrant

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    I partially disagree, there's still a level of malice AND stupidity, on the part of cop calling moonbats, period.

    The fact that a bunch of the population have defective groupthink mentality about firearms should not hold everyone else hostage.

    I mean lets face facts here, if mr. Bandit had been carrying a sledgehammer, a pitchfork, or even a machete in a holster, calmly in and out of that
    house he was at, do you think that mary/joe moonbatl douchebag kravitz hairnet would have called the cops?

    The reason they called the cops is obvious. They see the "man with the gun" as a "problem" and they want the cops to show up and "get rid of the
    problem. " He wasn't banging on his friends windows with his gun or something "interesting" like that.

    I don't expect laypersons to be detectives but absent other behavior, these calls are based on an irrational fear of guns, not concern over potential
    criminal activities. These calls are like 10 steps below "I see two people in the yard arguing, and one has a gun on his belt".

    This also makes me wonder how many times hunters get the cops called on them, but during the season in rural communities the cops just
    blow them off. Maybe they need to start blowing off mary hairnet that can't come up with anything but "bbbbbut he has a gun!" These people should
    be prosecuted for misusing emergency services if they dialed 911, amongst other things. I just don't think the dispatchers have the training or
    want to make the effort to gently interrogate the callers. "Ma'am so this man with the gun, what is he doing with it?" etc. Also a BOLO, that's still just
    mind numbing.

    I agree that "swatting" is something else, that's clearly over the top malicious (basically, it's orchestrating a potential manslaughter, murder, or assault by manipulating the police) and full retard, but my point is mary hairnet/kravitz not liking guns and calling the cops on you is still on the same line of horseshit (abusing public
    resources for their own desires) just on the lower end of the scale.

    -Mike
     
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    Now you are misrepresented (or have misread) what I've posted:

    What the mothers against guns are recommending is morally wrong. It absolutely does create a risky situation.

    But it is very different from SWATting, which involves faking an active shooter situation. That is far more likely to result in a tragedy.
     
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    Yes, it is malicious and stupid and could result in a tragedy. But it is simply incorrect to call it swatting. That is the point that I seem unable to communicate. Swatting -- convincing police there is an active shooter situation that requires a SWAT team -- is far, far worse.
     
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    It's a distinction without a difference. The calm caller (who actually more than likely sounds frantic) is no different from the basement dweller that swatted the guy that gave him a wedgie.

    Perhaps we could call it "Switting" in honor of everyone's favorite Moonbat, Loretta Swit.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I OC'd at Fields Corner once. Got a slice of pizza, then went back to the range.
     
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    They don't see it that way. They think it's their civic duty to report anything they see as a threat. Any anyone who carries a gun is a threat in their eyes. :/
     
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    Just make sure you are more than 500ft from Logan or avoid stepping on the surface of the ocean.

    I believe his LTC and gun were taken because the officer did not accept them as "facially valid". They were returned when he showed up at the PD. The legal action was his suit against the police for not accepting his LTC as facially valid (ie, accepting it as valid absent direct confirmation with the state or issuing authority) and temporarily confiscating his sidearm. He lost that case, but as far as I know, his loss of the gun was very temporary and return did not involve court action.
     
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    Well, the big distinction I can see is that with swatting they are trying to bring serious harm to someone, or at least reliably get a cops gun pointed at the
    target, and it uses a thick level of fraud and deception to accomplish.

    Now, if mary hairnet LIES about what the person is doing with the gun, then yes, that could certainly qualify as swatting as far as I'm concerned. Those people should be prosecuted no different than someone swatting.

    Example: OC guy gets into a mild argument with his neighbor about grass clippings or some horseshit, guy disengages the converstaion and goes back inside his
    house. Shitty neighbor calls the cops and claims OC guy was "waving his gun around". That shit is a level above and beyond the typical mary hairnet "vaguebooking" police call.

    Of course one element we're not discussing here is the connective tissue, in the respect that PDs are "over responding" to a typical mary hairnet call to begin with, the fact that a BOLO got put out on Mr. bandit for an innocuous activity seems to tell me this is a problem.

    -Mike
     
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    My memory of this incident is fuzzy because its been at least 10 years... thanks for the correction.

    -Mike
     

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